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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

OP posts:
doyawannabuildasnowmaaaaaan · 15/12/2017 11:18

@woofmiaowwoof
Has raised another good point.

Hannah1x · 15/12/2017 19:19

I certainly think so too. I often wonder what the adopters were told and if they felt I received ample support prior to his adoption. The social workers never allowed me to speak to nor meet my little boys forever family because I was very much kicking up a fuss and going against the adoption x

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SquiggleDot123 · 21/12/2017 03:03

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tabbycatbythesea · 21/12/2017 03:46

Oh sweetheart. Your new SW is still positive, she’s aware that you were in an abusive scenario and I’m sure she will see through the abuse laid out in this report. It wasn’t your fault and she’ll know that! Try and stay positive and try and get some sleep, I’ve downloaded an app called calm which helps me at my anxious wake up times, maybe something similar could help? Big hugs xxxx

Cantchooseaname · 21/12/2017 04:55

Give it to her. She knows your background- let her take it away. It’s your PAST. There is nothing on your present that will worry her. She will see what a strong woman you are to have overcome everything, and that it stands you in great stead for being an awesome mother.

Ivehadtonamechangeforthis · 21/12/2017 07:27

You were in an abusive relationship. You were very young, vulnerable and at the very least being coerced in to prostitution. Social services failed you! You should've been helped and supported to get away from your abuser and keep your baby not punished for being vulnerable and abused.

Don't forget your SW has already told you they "do things very differently down here" and you should've been supported and "who's to say that (the outcome) would have been the case if they had supported you and moved you away half way across the country"

Remember these points

  • You have self referred, because you want to be honest and transparent and not lie to your midwife/hospital
  • You are no longer with your abuser
  • Your life is now in a completely different place, you're in a stable, loving relationship with the father of your baby, you have a job and can care for your baby.

I would stress to your SW that seeing your file and has left you feeling utterly distraught and really frightened because your life was in such a terrible place at that time and having to revisit your abusive relationship and the loss of your son is really really upsetting.

Hugs to you x

rizlett · 21/12/2017 08:09

Hannah - you are truly amazing. Your story is insightful and inspiring. I think it's normal to bury all that stuff from the past as a way to dealing with it.

Everyone has made choices at the time that with hindsight they would have done differently. There is no need for you to feel ashamed. This is how an abuser manipulates people.

Fear is a strong emotion but you are stronger than any fear because of where you are today. You can do this strong mother. Your heart is free of shame and fear because you are honest and you are doing the right thing.

Faroutbrussel · 21/12/2017 08:13

I think the documents will show what an abusive partner he was and that you were a victim who should have been helped by the other LA.

All the best for today, you are in my thoughts.

Afreshturkeyplease · 21/12/2017 08:16

Bless you op

I hope you got some sleep

I imagine your sw will be as appauled as that judge was that those photographs were used

LizzieSiddal · 21/12/2017 08:20

I think the documents will show what an abusive partner he was and that you were a victim who should have been helped by the other LA.

I agree with this very much.

I also think your new SW by how you were treated.

Guardsman18 · 21/12/2017 08:59

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Ivehadtonamechangeforthis · 21/12/2017 11:54

How did it go? x

Guardsman18 · 21/12/2017 17:46

I hope you're ok Hannah after todays meeting x

Supermagicsmile · 21/12/2017 19:05

Hope it went well.

AnnieAnoniMouse · 21/12/2017 20:13

I’m appalled at the way you were treated when you had your first DS. It’s absolutely disgraceful. I really hope that after you get sorted from everything, you’re in a strong enough position to have that looked into. His adoptive parents sound great and hopefully you’ll be able to be a part of his life. Nothing can undo the damage SS did, but for him, knowing you loved him & wanted him and did everything were able to at the time will heal a lot of wounds.

I have a really good feeling about everything this time 🌷

Bubbaleo · 24/12/2017 02:39

How did it go at Thursday's meeting? Are you ok?

DIngdongmerryilyonhigh · 24/12/2017 07:55

I'm guessing you've decided not to post anymore Hannah which I can understand but I hope you're still reading as I wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas! Please do come back and update us when you're able to. x

DamsonGin · 24/12/2017 08:01

I've been thinking about you too. Hope you have a good Christmas and wonderful time with your baby when they arrive.

Afreshturkeyplease · 24/12/2017 08:01

Merry christmas Hannah

Scarydinosaurs · 24/12/2017 08:15

Good luck, Hannah!

Have a lovely Christmas.

Toooldtobearsed · 24/12/2017 08:18

Hope all is well with you Hannah, and wishing you a truly wonderful Christmas.

FabulouslyGlamorousFerret · 24/12/2017 09:10

Gosh, I'm usually quite cynical when reading this type of post, but you sound an ace person who's had a lot flung at them.

Onwards and upwards hopefully

octoberfarm · 24/12/2017 12:02

Wishing you a very Merry Christmas too, @Hannah1x, and hoping you and baby are doing really well Smile

MrMeSeeks · 24/12/2017 23:06

Merry xmas, really hope it works out for you x

Toooldtobearsed · 28/12/2017 08:15

@Hannah1x

Just checking in to see how you are. Sorry to be a pest, but you have been in my thoughts over the Christmas period. Hope all is well.