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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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Domani · 27/11/2017 10:38

You could go and see gp this week, explain your situation and that you are not sleeping well. Of course, that would be understandable for anyone but it gives you a reason to get a foot in the door of gp. So they can just get to know you a bit and then put a face to the name if ss ask them about you, rather than be unknown to them.

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 10:44

That's a good point actually I could do that

I've just spoke to a receptionist at the local SS and the woman I was dealing with last week is on leave so that'll be why I haven't heard back from her. The receptionist took my details and is going to get a duty SW to phone me back shortly to see if I can be given any updates x

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Domani · 27/11/2017 10:49

Oh and if you do go to gp, don't forget to ask for a drug test. And after you've been to hospital they will be sending a letter to your gp. As you leave just ask if you could have a copy of the letter, they won't mind, I always ask. Then you'll have a consultant letter showing you attended, therefore keeping up with any medical issues re your health and baby's. Can't think of anything else at the mo.

ByeByePrivacy · 27/11/2017 10:53

Only just read your thread form the start and I just wanted to add my voice to others saying how amazingly you have done and turned your life around.
You could pre-emptively ask your consultant or midwife about a drugs test to show you are clean now.
It is reassuring about the delay with social services as they are not worried about you. You are a different person and with a different person. Yes they might still assess you/cisirnalot when you take baby home, but you will be at home with your baby and partner and then your involvement will be done.
Well done for taking the courage to phone and get started. Even if they found you to be perfect they wouldn't have been happy if they had been evaded. You've got this and congratulations!

bathghter · 27/11/2017 11:05

this is obviously a different league to what i dealt with but i did have to have an assessment by a social worker when i was pregnant because of disclosures i made to my MW about my partner. i was advised to be fully cooperative which i was and all that happened was they came and had a long chat with me at home and i explained everything to them. this satisfied them that there was no risk to the baby and that was the last of it.

Scarydinosaurs · 27/11/2017 11:06

I don’t have any experience, but I just wanted to say what a wonderful woman you are to take your life and build yourself up, and not allow those who wanted to control you win.

You are going to be an amazing mother when that (probably not so little now!) bump becomes a person in January 💪🏽

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 11:08

Thank you for your kind words sweetie :)

I just phoned my midwife too, to see if she had heard anything back from the MASH referral. (She needed to refer me aswell after I told her i referred myself - procedure I guess)

She said she was yet to send the referral off herself and just wanted to reiterate a couple more details before she did so. She did this just now on the phone. EG My first born sons name, my ex partners name and DOB, my new partners DOB and confirmed whether he has any other children.

My new partner has 2 children from a previous relationship who he sees regularly, both are happy healthy kids with no history of SS involvement. I don't have anything to do with his little ones because their mother doesn't want him having them around his girlfriend. She doesn't know my history so that is not the reason, it's simply a case of her not wanting them around dad's new partner. She hasn't met me and doesn't want to as far as I know. Out of respect for her I steer clear when he has contact - but hope eventually she will support a relationship between our children.

My OH and his ex are civil and get along well with no history of DV or instability where the kids are concerned - although she's not completely happy with the fact he's moved on - this being said I would be a little worried about SS turning up on her door step regarding our assessment. She's a little difficult and I don't know whether that would harm our case? Maybe I'm just over thinking x

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Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 11:12

Midwife did say that she's confident I will have heard from social services by the end of the week, when I get a call back from duty SS today they'll probably tell me the same. So at least I'll know I've not been forgotten about lol x

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bathghter · 27/11/2017 11:15

Hannah i'm sure SS will be able to see through any bitterness from the ex. they won't just be taking her word if they even want to talk to her. try not to worry and let them do their jobs. ime they are helpful and don't want to take people's babies away without a good reason.

Domani · 27/11/2017 11:22

Hannah,what about seeing gp this week to explain and ask for drug test. Then go again next week about your sleep and ask for a letter confirming if they feel you are stable. Because I've found that if you tell gp's too much in one sitting, something usually gets forgotten.Try and see the same gp then they can build up a picture of you and partner (if he can go with you) nothing against gp's but I usually overload them and they're tired and overworked) Then you would have drug result, a midwife letter, hospital report (to gp) hopefully gp support and the freedom programme.

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 11:29

I'm gonna take your advice and do that Domani. I'll give my GP a call and see if they can help. What I'll do is speak to the receptionist and ask the GP to phone me back to discuss it (you don't get put straight through to the doctors at my surgery and have to explain your enquiry via the receptionist first)

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Domani · 27/11/2017 11:59

Yes but don't say too much over the phone if you don't want. You could just say that you're pregnant and feeling anxious and would like to talk to gp face to face. How's partner bearing up?

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 12:06

He is so relaxed he's basically horizontal! He isn't worried in the slightest as he's never dealt with SS and as far as he's concerned we have a nice stable life

Alot of my fears stem from the past so although he understands he can't completely relate to the level of worry I have.

He doesn't see any reason for them to be concerned with us, I do point out that SS look into historical facts alot as reasons for concern. He just wants me to stop worrying bless him

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Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 12:10

A duty social worker just phoned me back she said as far as she can tell no information from my previous LA has been transferred over yet as they are still waiting on that, and also the referral from my midwife

She's going to call the midwife and make sure she's sent through her referral today and then call me back.

It's a little frustrating as the lady I just spoke with did say she would have hoped for things to have progressed a bit quicker than they have given the time scale. Ugh

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Domani · 27/11/2017 12:20

Well, all you can do is wait then I suppose. But at least you can be preparing a few things that we discussed. Glad oh relaxed about it, perhaps some of that will rub off on you, it's not good for you to be so worried all the time and you can't even have a drink to relax your brain a bit, can you? But you can have these Cake Brew keep your chin up, hannah and stay strong for your babySmile

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 12:22

Just heard from the duty SW again. She spoke with my midwife who's confirmed the referral has been sent over, but my previous LA definitely hasn't got back to them with my old files. This was requested last week by the first SW I spoke to, so my previous LA's lack of action has been a problem for them in moving forward.

The duty SW spoke with her manager after confirming the midwives referral has been sent off. Given my stage of pregnancy and the fact they now have at least the midwives referral they are keen to commence a pre birth assessment asap (thank god) and will now allocate me a social worker who I should hear from within a day or two. She said as it's a pre birth assessment it's likely to be a hospital social worker? That's new to me as I don't know the difference so any advice on that would be appreciated

They really do need my old LA to get the info over to them asap though as she said obviously they need to go through what concerns they had, and see whether they've been addressed.

I took down the name of the SW who chased everything up for me today so I can make notes of the calls etc. To be fair to her she seemed really efficient and helpful.

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Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 12:22

Thank you Domani :) x

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Domani · 27/11/2017 12:36

Wonder if the old files have "gone missing" because of their mistakes. Don't know if that would be a good thing or bad thing? Well at least the new ss are keen to get things moving by the sound of it. The sooner it's over the better, then hopefully you can relax. Will your son be excited, having a new sibling? Smile

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 12:42

Very interesting point Domani

When my case concluded, I heard that the social worker and one of her colleagues 'left' which is interesting. Their manager has since moved departments too. I'm tempted to contact them myself but as everyone I had dealings with no longer works there I'm not sure I'll get anywhere.

I'm pretty sure my son will be happy :) I'm yet to tell his adopters as my next letter box contact isn't due until April but I fully intend to tell them/him all about his new baby brother. The adopters have said that as soon as he asks to see me they will support that, so I'm hopeful he will be able to have a relationship with his little brother whilst he's still little himself (4) x

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Domani · 27/11/2017 12:50

I don't know anything about hospital sw's either, hopefully someone else can come and advise you.

Domani · 27/11/2017 12:54

That could be a good thing, a hospital sw, so try and think positively, Hannah.

Hannah1x · 27/11/2017 12:59

I felt it could be positive too :) they're less likely to be biased I would say

My midwife has said not to worry and that she will give a "glowing report" when my assessment begins. That's given me such a boost :)

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Domani · 27/11/2017 13:06

Thats brilliant from midwifeSmile Keep going Hannah, you'll get there.x

TheGoodEnoughWife · 28/11/2017 10:41

You are doing really well :-)
Keep going!

Starlight2345 · 28/11/2017 13:04

Well Done Hannah and as worried as you are , do remember if you hadn't talked to the health professionals about your history you would still be anxious that your history would come up and then you would be in a far worse situation.