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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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CandyMelts · 28/11/2017 14:11

You're so strong Hannah, I'm in awe of you Flowers

Hannah1x · 28/11/2017 14:34

Thanks for the kind words :-)

Going by what the duty SW said I should hear from an allocated social worker either tomorrow or the next day at the latest, so I will update you all here about how the first meeting goes.

Hopefully all goes well. The sooner we know where we stand the better. At the moment I'm "preparing for the worst but hoping for the best"

My OH will be present so that's going to be a big comfort :)

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Cakeandmarshmallows · 28/11/2017 18:55

Hospital social workers are pretty much the same as other social workers, they are just based at hospital and therefore are more often involved in pre birth assessments et , they are an immediate point of contact if any concerns arise while children are in hospital. They would be involved in supporting parents whose children are in hospital and who need involvement. Hope that helps a little.

Hannah1x · 28/11/2017 19:11

Thanks for clarifying cakeandmarshmallows x

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Nannyplumssillyoldelf · 28/11/2017 19:57

Well done for self referring. I hope it goes well.

ShiveryTimbers · 29/11/2017 08:17

Just wanted to say that I hope all goes well. I've been following and think you are being really brave and doing all the right things.

WellThisIsShit · 30/11/2017 11:09

Well done, and fingers crossed for the meeting.

sugaredstrawberries · 30/11/2017 11:29

Oh my goodness, I don't really have any advice or experience but did not want to read and run. I'm shocked at how SS have treated you, it is disgusting quite frankly. You are clearly a well headed lady who, unfortunately, found yourself in an abusive relationship.

I just want you to know that NON of this is your fault. You were brave enough to be honest and try and get help and you were sadly penalised for it. I would get some confidential advice... perhaps even anonymous. Print what you have written out here so absolutely nothing is left out. I'm pretty sure the way SS handled your case was unsatisfactory and I generally think you have a strong case here. I would fight this until the cows come home and keep all records to prove to your son in later years just how hard you've fought for him.

In regards to your new baby, I'm really not sure how I would handle this in your position. Again, perhaps anonymous advice through a withheld number? Just so you know where you stand? I can understand your frightened after the shocking way in which you were treated last time SadThanks

Hannah1x · 30/11/2017 18:05

Hi ladies

Still not heard back from SS. My partner called them today to chase everything up and the second social worker I spoke with is out of the office for a week now aswell Confused

He was told to call back Monday. I really had hoped the ball would be rolling by now especially after being told by the last SW I spoke with that she had spoken to her manager and was happy to have me allocated a hospital social worker to come and begin the assessment. I was told I would definitely hear from them within two days. No such luck.

In regards to your comment sugarstrawberries, I have always wanted to (at some point) go over my first born sons case with a legal professional as I still believe to this day there were many failings on social services part. Not around safeguarding my son, but around the lack of support I was offered and the fact no prior avenues were looked at before adoption. I honestly wouldn't know where to begin with that though, and for some years now I have resigned myself to just accepting it - for the sake of my mental well being. It's painfully hard for me to sit and go through everything that happened, but I hope eventually I find the strength to be able to.

I think for now all I can do is be grateful for the openness his adopters share with him and my letter box contact, as if I were to start kicking up a fuss at this moment about SS wrongdoings it may hinder my case with my current baby. As hard as it is I think the best thing I can do is portray a mindset of..

"yes my son was at risk and I accept I was unable to safeguard him. Adoption was at that time, the best thing for him. I have learned from the mistakes I have made and took every opportunity to change my life so that the concerns social services had are no longer existent" xx

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sugaredstrawberries · 30/11/2017 22:14

OP I completely understand and it's your life at the end of the day, as I said before, you sound very level headed so you do what you think is right. And of course, with all the upheaval you've been through you deserve to look after your own mental health.

In terms of your update, I think it's a good sign that a SW hasn't been in touch yet as they clearly aren't to worried about your current situation otherwise they'd be round there like a shot. Best of luck anyway and I'm rooting for you Thanks

WellThisIsShit · 30/11/2017 22:29

Oh dear, but yup, not unexpected, sigh.

I think you’re very right not to conflate trying to follow the adoption experiences to get to justice (if there’s any to be found), and this current situation. It could be seen as evidence that you hadn’t come to terms with the adoption or had insight over your role in that. Which could turn into a massive stick to beat you with.

In the interests in showing very clearly that you and your situation have completely changed, I’d swallow it as much as possible and then after you’ve been assessed and no issues found, and case closed etc, then I’d the time to revisit what happened and what went wrong.

It’s a hard thing to do and I admire your determination and courage Flowers

Mc180768 · 30/11/2017 22:54

OP,

FWIW, you have been courageous and confronted your fears.

That makes you everything a mother could be.

Wishing you the very best for your family and as a birth mother myself, letterbox contact is comforting.

I hope you will keep this updated so we can hear your progress.

Domani · 01/12/2017 08:20

This will probably be the worst bit Hannah, the waiting. Hopefully, they will decide to just visit, maybe a bit of future monitoring and that will be it. Fingers crossed.

Hannah1x · 04/12/2017 13:46

Still hadn't heard from them so we called up this afternoon, managed to get put through to a manager in the pre birth assessment sector. They confirmed they've received the referral but was yet to allocate me a social worker, have been given another time estimation to have heard back from them - by the end of the week "hopefully"

I'm so anxious now. It's true that the waiting is the worst part. I'm 33 weeks tomorrow and can't shake the thought of them coming in and taking him at birth :(

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DamsonGin · 04/12/2017 14:13

I really wouldn't worry yourself. You are prepared to answer whatever needs answering, as is your DP, and you are ready and eager to be a good mum. That's the important stuff and that'll be what they want to know.

I can understand though that you just want to get it out of the way and stop it hanging over you, but I too think the fact that they haven't rushed round means they haven't pinged you as a high priority.

Can you write everything down, maybe as a Q&A that you can refer to the day before they come round, and then switch your mind to something else in the meantime?

ShiveryTimbers · 04/12/2017 14:23

That must be really stressful. Remember that you are doing all the right things this time, though, and that you have the love and support of your partner. Probably also the reason that it's taking so long is that they've established that you're not a high-risk priority, which is a good thing.

TiredOfThisAll · 04/12/2017 14:25

They truly will not take him at birth, they will do an assessment and that will be that.

I think the delay suggests that they are not overly concerned.

From what you say, you sound like you have got out of a really bad situation and yes, at some point, in your position, I would pursue a complain against social services, if only to make sure that someone else does not end up with the lack of support you got.

The other thing I wonder is whether it is worth contacting Women's Aid, who will have experience of this, and talking your concerns through with them?

Jellybean85 · 04/12/2017 14:27

I agree that their lack of urgency is a good thing!! Where they're planning to remove they need all their evidence and assessments ready by birth to show a court. I know it's hard but try and relax and wait ThanksThanks

Hannah1x · 04/12/2017 14:35

Thanks ladies. It does reassure me a bit that people think the lack of urgency is a good thing. The manager was unable to tell me whether they've looked over my old files yet though, and obv that would be where all the big concerns stem from

I'll try to relax a bit, write down some questions so I'm prepared and then try take my mind off it. I'm off work at the mo with a particularly bad cold/viral infection so I have far too much time on my hands to sit and go over things. It sucks being a worrier x

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Hannah1x · 04/12/2017 15:20

Well that was unexpected, a pre birth social worker has just called me. She's been allocated my case and has made an appointment to see me on 14th December. The initial meet will be at her office in the hospital, then the next appointment she will come out and see us at home.

She said in a joking manner how unusual it was that I referred myself. She seems nice from our brief chat.

Very pleased the wheels are in motion now x

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TiredOfThisAll · 04/12/2017 15:49

That all sounds very positive.

I really hope she gets how badly you were failed before.

I think it is great that your DP will be there, but one reason she might wish to speak to you alone is to check there is no domestic violence now (which you would not disclose in front of him). If this makes you anxious, then see if there is someone else who can go with you. And be honest about how distressed your previous experiences made you, and that you are really looking for support this time round.

Hannah1x · 04/12/2017 16:00

I hope she gets that too. I want her to realise I was failed by the last lot of social services involvement but at the same time i don't want to go in there making it sound like I don't acknowledge the risks my first son was at. Its going to be difficult projecting both points and I hope she doesn't think I come across as in denial at all - as I'm definitely not. I know he was at risk but the previous SW definitely handled my case badly.

I'm going to say to her that she's welcome to talk to me alone about any of the delicate issues and concerns from my past. I don't want to be addressing the sex work in front of my partner to be honest, so one of the first things I'll say is that if she wants to discuss anything particularly personal with me then he is happy to leave the room.

I'll be able to use that opportunity to let her know my current relationship is a good one and not abusive x

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JeremyCorbynsBeard · 04/12/2017 16:22

Just read the whole thread, and wanted to say how brave you are OP. It must absolutely devastating to have your child taken away from you. You sound fantastic, eloquent and interesting and you and your DP will make great parents.

Sending lots of good wishes, and hope that all proceeds well with SS. Please keep us posted.

Hannah1x · 04/12/2017 16:31

Thanks for such lovely words of support JCB it touches my heart to receive such kind comments and well wishes. You're a truly great bunch here x

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TiredOfThisAll · 04/12/2017 16:34

I think the point is that your DS was at risk, but you were also very vulnerable as a young adult in an abusive relationship.

The differences now are that you know your DS is well cared for, you are having letter box contact and you know he is living with his adoptive parents. So there are no concerns about his well-being right at the minute (emotional issues yes, but not protection ones).

The second positive is that you are no longer working in a dangerous environment with an abusive partner/ex partner.

The third positive is that you are no longer using cannabis, you are having a healthy lifestyle.

The fourth positive is that you have a loving and supportive partner, which provides a secure environment not only for your baby, but also you.

There will be more, these are just the ones off the top of my head. The risks are in the past, the protective factors are here now, if that makes sense.