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Terrible Scenes At Heaton Park Synagogue

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VillaDiodati · 02/10/2025 11:31

Absolutely shocking attack at the Heaton Park Synagogue in Crumpsall North Manchester. My heart goes out to all those hurt and affected by this terrible atrocity.

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Tortielady · 02/10/2025 20:01

HouseOfGuineaPigsReturnsWhereSheLeftOff · 02/10/2025 18:10

Absolutely this. I'm pro immigration, but it's important we don't risk the security of those already here already. A genuine refugee or asylum seeker isn't going to risk their claim by committing serious crimes.

Let's not forget many of us here with a Jewish heritage had ancestors who came to Britain because we were desperately fleeing pogroms. Most of us are very far from being anti immigration per se.

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My family's tenure in Britain only goes back to the late 19th century and my Russian great-grandparents. My DM, who vaguely remembers her DGM says the old lady couldn't speak a word of English. Like many Anglo-Jewish people, I don't take my roots in Britain for granted and it's just as well. We could very easily become outsiders again.

nomas · 02/10/2025 20:02

Livelovebehappy · 02/10/2025 19:53

I live in a predominantly Muslim city, and I can confirm that there is celebration around where I live today. It’s horrible, and has no place on our streets. They’ve been trying since October 7th 2023 to bring the war to the UK, and they have achieved that today. I hope that everyone gets behind the Jewish communities because they will be terrified today. They need our assurances that they will be protected.

I don’t think anyone is celebrating this senseless attack. If you have proof that’s different.

EsmaCannonball · 02/10/2025 20:03

I'm reading that yesterday evening pro-Palestinian groups were starting to encourage supporters to converge on railway stations to shut down public transport this evening. It's all so suspicious. I hope the security services are already onto the people coordinating all this.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 20:03

EasyTouch · 02/10/2025 19:46

If I drew up a Venn diagram of those who claim that "nothing is worth promoting hatred over" in order to deflect from the fact that Islamism within Muslim communities is a problem in the UK......and those who point out that Islamism is hatred of everything " haram" and even not.....

I know that there would be a significant non overlap as the deflectors seem so shy in stepping on the toes of Islam in a way that they are not with any other religion.

And no, " Islamophobia" is not the same as racism.
It would only be in the same ball park if being Muslim was not a choice ( as those who break their necks claiming that the words " forced" and " Islam/Muslim" have no relation to their one another do) and physiologically inate ( like race and sexual orientation).

And if racism did not exist within Muslim communities like it does in every other in the world.
The day that Islam outside of Islamic countries can withstand the disrespect and apathy that other religions have to withstand is the day so many look forward to.

This neo Crusade carry on when the majority of Islamic countries are dodgepots is high fuckry.
And communities trying to bring the same " back home" that they fled from to nations that culture wise are pretty much opposite and socially secular outside one's home and place of worship is a piss take considering fifty and forty years ago , the majority of their home nations managed to be Muslim despite dressing Western and not being so hypocritically pious.
Similarly, I went to a school where the largest non White Brit group was Pakistani/Indian and Bengali Muslim.
No performative praying, nothing about needing time and space to pray , not one hijab, one's dietary restrictions due to religion was one's responsibility, no policing of anybody's piety and outside of school, the Sari was worn by the Sikh, Hindu AND Muslim elder women related to our South Asian classmates (I went to Langdon Secondary in East Ham when I lived with my mother between 12-17 yrs before running back to the far more then popping Peckham).

No other " ethnic" group would be allowed to be so censorious and defensive if so much terrorism and hate was being perpetrated both on its behalf and by too many of its members and affecting so many not belonging to the group, most of which claim their first and premium loyalty is to the God they pray to and not even each other.

So please stop with the relativism today of all days.

It was not Jews driving cars through Muslim communities country wide , brandishing Star of Davids and shouting anti Islam/ Muslim slogans when Hamas and complicit Gazans committed the worst anti Jewish atrocity since the Holocaust on 7/10/23 thousands of miles away from the UK, in Israel.
Jews have been forced teamed by Muslims and anti Zionists pertaining to the Hamas attack, since the beginning.
But sly wretches want to jump offended when people associate Islam/Muslims/ anti Zionists/ "Pro Palestinians" with , if not Jew hatred, at least overwhelming apathy pertaining to the Jew hatred that comes from MANY MANY quarters of these specific groups.
I remember the bishes on this female centred website practically climbing over their one another to minimise the rapes of Jewish women on the CITME section of Mumsnet.

I also remember the other set of bishes who tried to cloak Hamas operatives in honour as " benign" kidnappers because the very first batch of released hostages looked fed and watered.

And now they are on this thread trying to police the grief and fear as if the cause of this terror is of vague provenance and not a shoe drop of an escalation of hatred coming from a specific or interelated specific group whose Jew hatred has been allowed to fester by the Powers That Be in ways that public hatred of other groups has not been ignored/ facilitated/ enabled by government/judiciary and Police.

The Jew haters better be careful what they wish for.

If every Brit Jew was to leave, despite being a small minority, the UK would be the much worse off, not they ( allowing for trauma due to self exile).

Absolutely this

CoralPombear · 02/10/2025 20:03

nomas · 02/10/2025 18:45

That doesn’t say it was an Islamist terror attack?

It’s being widely reported now in mainstream news sources so I think we can safely say that it’s been checked and is true.

clipboardz · 02/10/2025 20:07

@nomas what do you think i it was? A buddhist?

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 02/10/2025 20:08

Some horrifying comments on this thread.

The murder of British people for no other reason than they are Jews, and still posters weasel about Israel.

Shame on those posters. Your disgrace is beyond words.

Tortielady · 02/10/2025 20:09

Ihatetomatoes · 02/10/2025 18:14

It's disgusting. Its open online antisemitism including on MN. It needs sorting out. The awful marches for a conflict that is nothing to do with Jewish people in the UK.

A young Jewish boy said what have we done to deserve this. Absolutely nothing at all.

You're absolutely right and that's precisely the point about antisemitism. It exists outside the victim's religious observance, political views, support or lack thereof for the state of Israel. Jews are hated because they're Jewish and all the other stuff is an excuse for people who want someone to fix their hate on. It's as simple and as squalid as that.

Ihatetomatoes · 02/10/2025 20:11

Livelovebehappy · 02/10/2025 19:53

I live in a predominantly Muslim city, and I can confirm that there is celebration around where I live today. It’s horrible, and has no place on our streets. They’ve been trying since October 7th 2023 to bring the war to the UK, and they have achieved that today. I hope that everyone gets behind the Jewish communities because they will be terrified today. They need our assurances that they will be protected.

Please report this hatred to the police. We all need to step up and report. Don't allow them to bring a war to the UK. Report any suspicious activity. Don't let them bring their hatred here, spread their radicalised beliefs.

The problem with the grooming gangs was people were worried about being labelled racist so ignored the problems and hundreds of children were abused by those vile men. They relied on people being worried about tackling them. Its not racist to point out the grooming gangs were from a particular culture thats a factual comment.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 20:11

No shame at all

Terrible Scenes At Heaton Park Synagogue
EsmaCannonball · 02/10/2025 20:11

HouseOfGuineaPigsReturnsWhereSheLeftOff · 02/10/2025 18:10

Absolutely this. I'm pro immigration, but it's important we don't risk the security of those already here already. A genuine refugee or asylum seeker isn't going to risk their claim by committing serious crimes.

Let's not forget many of us here with a Jewish heritage had ancestors who came to Britain because we were desperately fleeing pogroms. Most of us are very far from being anti immigration per se.

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Andrew Fox said in a podcast that when he was running an unofficial organisation to help people escape from Afghanistan it was the UK's Jewish community who really stepped up with the funding because they had so much empathy with the Afghan people who needed to flee.

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/10/2025 20:13

gorlomi · 02/10/2025 19:13

Why did you need to say?

Unnecessary comment.
I think that’s a thoughtful thing to do.

whiteroseredrose · 02/10/2025 20:15

WolfingtonBear · 02/10/2025 19:38

I don’t know about cars of Muslims celebrating but it seems there’s a pro Palestine rally taking place in Parliament Square as we speak, also one in Manchester - on the same day! At least after October 7th, they didn’t all get together to support and celebrate “Palestine” till the day after the attacks I guess…

There was a stand up for Gaza event scheduled in Manchester cathedral at lunchtime today. Did that go ahead?

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/10/2025 20:15

nomas · 02/10/2025 20:02

I don’t think anyone is celebrating this senseless attack. If you have proof that’s different.

And if you do, presumably you are reporting them to the police.

clipboardz · 02/10/2025 20:16

@nomas They have now said it was an islamist terrorist

EsmaCannonball · 02/10/2025 20:16

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 20:11

No shame at all

I think some of the marches around October 7th were planned before the massacre and I think there are people behind these marches who knew an attack was going to happen. They don't normally take place on a Thursday evening, do they?

Ihatetomatoes · 02/10/2025 20:17

Today at the protest marches

"An American tourist caught up in the pro-Palestine protests in London said the sentiment was sad to witness but unsurprising.
Justin Alintoff, 26, originally from New York, said: “They’re choosing to protest on Yom Kippur… they know what they’re doing and they know that it’s the holiest Jewish day of the year.”
He added: “I think the problem is, when you ask the protesters here about the attack, they say, ‘It shouldn’t have happened, but…’

clipboardz · 02/10/2025 20:18

It's so inappropriate to do a march today in this climate. What message does it send out?

Ihatetomatoes · 02/10/2025 20:18

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 20:11

No shame at all

Disgusting.

Ihatetomatoes · 02/10/2025 20:20

clipboardz · 02/10/2025 20:18

It's so inappropriate to do a march today in this climate. What message does it send out?

That the marchers are hate filled anti semitic, and radicalised individuals see them and think they are with them. . They dont march for other conflicts.

MrsEmmelineLucas · 02/10/2025 20:20

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 20:11

No shame at all

Unbelievable.

SpaceRaccoon · 02/10/2025 20:21

Anyone marching in London or Manchester, today of all days, is a fucking scumbag.

Jujujudo · 02/10/2025 20:21

Uggbootsforever · 02/10/2025 17:52

Israel are first responders during natural disasters, eg in Turkey after the earthquake. They offered refuge to Sudanese refugees because Egypt refused. They offer safety to LGBT Palestinians, they supply vital intelligence to the entire region. Israel is an incredible nation of diverse and wonderful people and the lies and vitriol targeting it are unforgivable.

Hoppinggreen · 02/10/2025 20:21

Not the time or place for any political point scoring or opinions.
Just to say my heart goes out to the Jewish Community in Manchester and beyond as well as anyone else affected by this
I drive through that area quite often and I always find it so sad that the schools and synagogues need security guards, that shouldn't be the case here in England

nomas · 02/10/2025 20:21

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/10/2025 20:15

And if you do, presumably you are reporting them to the police.

Yes, exactly.

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