Terrible Scenes At Heaton Park Synagogue

[VillaDiodati]

Absolutely shocking attack at the Heaton Park Synagogue in Crumpsall North Manchester. My heart goes out to all those hurt and affected by this terrible atrocity.

That's just awful. Your family's life in Britain goes further back than mine, but I never feel that way, which is indicative, isn't it?

But that fear of prejudice came from somewhere, didn't it? "Political Left" possibly is the wrong phrase but I don't think it's "Extreme Left" either, much as loathing of religion does feature strongly in Marxist theory and many communist regimes are vehemently opposed to concepts of family/community units. Maybe, to use a vastly overused word, it's the "Woke Intolerant Left" - those who pride themselves on their 'correct' views on everything from trans rights and colonialism, to Palestine and net zero, and who would also pride themselves on their kindness, progressiveness and inclusivity...to the extent that they will freely bully anyone who doesn't share their views and see those people as utterly deserving of any and all punishment.

So if marches were stopped, how can people who want to protest [do so] in a way that won't get hijacked by the extreme left and get them labelled as antisemitic?

There are other ways of protest than marches that attract the open antisemitism of which posters have related their experiences up-thread.

And I see the marchers are infesting Glasgow and Edinburgh too now. So high on their own self-righteousness that they can't see how disgusting they are.

Not the time or place for any political point scoring or opinions

No, no it’s not. It’s a shame most of the thread seems to now consist of this.

You and the whole world? You speak for a lot of people. I do watch the news. It’s not a genocide.

I don’t think this is the thread for this, but not sure white washing Israel helps. The situation in Israel is discrete.

https://x.com/HeidiBachram/status/1973713605234405467?t=8q2JXIupnVt2GWqhR4PpgQ&s=19

People in the West certainly knew ahead of time. Look how quickly groups mobilised against Israel. Then within days of the war starting the genocide rhetoric started up. It was orchestrated. And marches usually take place on a Saturday. Maybe the march was planned today because people knew of an attack ahead of time or because it is Yom Kippur?

Other marches have been planned to deliberately inconvenience Jews, such as planning their route to go straight past a synagogue just as worshippers are leaving, like in Hove

I live in edinburgh and there have been Palestine marches here since the massacre. They just keep getting more unpleasant. I try to avoid them but it’s really restricting my work and my life so not always possible.

@nomas do you have an opinion on the attack & the perpetrator as you were interested before?

Yes I think this is worth reiterating- the October 7th attacks were celebrated by some anti semites, there is evidence of this, it is therefore likely that some were celebrating today’s attacks. Even if we don’t know the precise details or we only have first hand experience we can be sure some people were celebrating today. It’s a sad but inevitable conclusion

There were applications made for permission to march in support of Palestine being made before the murder, rape and kidnapping had even stopped on 7th October.

Whitewashing Hamas seems to be the name of the game in the UK.

You still haven’t posted any links. All you keep saying is ‘they said’. Who is they?

As I’ve repeatedly said, it may well turn out to be an Islamist attack, but for people to say they have seen it confirmed in the media and then admit it was just an assumption is just wrong.

Look what happened at Southport.

Wait for confirmation from the police, it shouldn’t be long. Looks like the police investigation is going to be very thorough.

Anyway, this is the third time you’ve posted to me, the thread will fill up quickly at this rate.

The police never confirmed that as a terrorist attack, because it wasn't. It was a lunatic.

They have confirmed this as a terrorist attack.

I think this is the wrong thread to be splitting hairs about this.

@nomas I think you are confusing me with another poster.

When I replied to you the 2nd time I didn't just make it up

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15157191/amp/Suicide-belt-Manchester-attacker-Islamist-terrorist.html

Wait for confirmation from the police, it shouldn’t be long. Looks like the police investigation is going to be very thorough.

The police already said this was a terror attack. Southport wasn't terror.

Gideon Falter, Chief Exec of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, on today's attack:

“Today, the blood of British Jews is on the hands of virtue-signalling politicians who have poured fuel on the fire of extremism with their posturing and appeasement, police forces and police chiefs who have failed to tackle the mobs on our streets, universities and schools that have tolerated incitement, the BBC whose bias and moral collapse has essentially turned them into spokespeople for Hamas, whom they still refuse to call terrorists, and regulators like the Charity Commission that has failed abjectly to address dangerous rhetoric at mosques. We need firm and urgent action on each of these fronts, otherwise it is inevitable that yet more innocents will be murdered on our streets.”

Whitewashing. That's the trouble with jews :too white, too clever, too rich, too democratic, too western. Not exotic enough with quaint customs like in Afghanistan where a rat has more freedom than a female.
You are doing sterling service on this thread @Nomas Not spitting mad like the rest of your gang, more clinical. It is a choice to be on this thread isnt it? Policing it in case whitewashing occurs.

Anyway, this is the third time you’ve posted to me, the thread will fill up quickly at this rate.

I believe your whataboutery and deflection will do that! crack on though if it makes you happy. We all see you.

@miraxxx just ignore the trolls.

There are fireworks going off here tonight. There were also fireworks here on October 7th 2023. It's so utterly depressing.

It might be further, but it isn't very long, compared with some Black Bristolians who can trace their family's history back to the 18thc, or white Londoners who can go back to the Huguenots. Lots of children meet their great-grandparents; there is no way someone from the 16th-18th centuries could hang around for that long!

I think that’s unfair. There are millions of people in the UK who are wholeheartedly supportive of innocent civilians in Gaza. I am one of them. I in no way, shape or form support Hamas!
The attacks of 7th October, 2023 were beyond inhuman. The retaliation against that attack has now become inhuman.
However. What has what happened in Manchester today to do with the situation in Gaza?
Nothing.
It’s anti-semitism, plain and simple.