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Jews being hunted on streets of Amsterdam

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RatitesUnite · 08/11/2024 05:26

Horrific footage all over social media of baying mobs hunting down Jews and beating them unconscious on the streets of Amsterdam.

Never again is now. Weak fearful police forces and politicians have allowed this poison to fester all over the western world. Absolute disgraceful scenes on the streets of so called tolerant Europe.

edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html

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prh47bridge · 11/11/2024 14:48

andIsaid · 11/11/2024 14:34

But, however much you may wish it to be otherwise, the current escalation was sparked by horrific war crimes committed by an organisation that wants to see the destruction if Israel (Hamas) that is supported by an organisation with the same aim (Hezbollah) and backed by Iran. That does not justify all of Israel's actions in Gaza by any means, but ignoring that and trying to make out that it is all Israel's fault is ridiculous.

You will get no argument from me that Hamas started this, that they committed horrific war crimes and deserve what they get. That was clear from the beginning and for me nothing has changed.

I do not try to ignore it, and I do not try to make it Israel's fault. Ever.

Israel has a right to respond.

I do not believe that response should be the total annihilation of Gaza and it's population.

That is surely easy enough to understand.

I don't believe the response should be the total annihilation of Gaza either.

Panda1222 · 11/11/2024 15:30

@andIsaid First of all you exposed yourself by implying Hamas are an army. There was an estimated 40,000 terrorists prior to this war, apparently it is around half this now. It’s a big number of terrorists but it definitely does not make them an army, they are TERRORISTS!!!!

Secondly no one here is anti Palestinian. I am definitely not ok with women and children being killed on either side. I just understand the root cause of this war. If you really care about human rights why are you not mentioning what the Iranian regime is doing for humanity. The fact they are using Palestine and Lebanon to spread their Islamist authoritarian regime. The fact they want to use them to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. The fact Hezbollah are a state within a state who rape and kill innocent Syrians and Iranian civilians. These groups are all linked, they do not care about the innocent women and children in Palestine or anywhere else. They want to eliminate Jews from the planet and then spread their control further. There is a very good reason a lot of Iranians support Israel in this conflict. They know what Israel are really dealing, what the true motives are. They know what it is like living under an Islamist authoritarian regime.

Thirdly the civilian population of Palestine has not been totally annihilated. The numbers do not reflect this. Israel could have killed a LOT more civilians if they wanted to. They have tried to avoid civilian deaths. Any war crimes committed should be dealt with and the people responsible should be held accountable. But this does not represent all IDF soldiers and all of Israel.

Lastly if you want to have a debate about the conflict fine. But I do not think bashing Israel and ONLY Israel on a forum discussing Jews being violently attacked is appropriate. Also trying to justify the violence the Jews faced in Amsterdam is disturbing and exposes your anti semitism. This gang went out looking for any Jew they could find, not the specific football hooligans you are referring to. They went after EVERY Jew. Even attacking a British man for helping a Jew off the floor. This British man stated they were using the Jews head as a football and screaming about his religion. This attack on the Jews was planned in advance so nothing to do with the chants etc which still doesn’t justify physical violence. This group who attacked the Jews are the same people who go out into the streets every week with their anti semitic chants, this has been happening across Europe for a long time now. So this forum is regarding legitimate concerns for the Jews and all you can do is justify everything they have been subjected to. You’ve exposed yourself for what you are, now go spread your hate elsewhere.

andIsaid · 11/11/2024 15:56

prh47bridge · 11/11/2024 14:48

I don't believe the response should be the total annihilation of Gaza either.

We have a starting point. 🙂

andIsaid · 11/11/2024 16:10

First of all you exposed yourself by implying Hamas are an army.
Nope. You said they could be tens of thousands of Hamas terrorists in Gaza. I amsted that by saying that sounds like an army.

If you really care about human rights why are you not mentioning what the Iranian regime is doing for humanity. The fact they are using Palestine and Lebanon to spread their Islamist authoritarian regime. The fact they want to use them to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. The fact Hezbollah are a state within a state who rape and kill innocent Syrians and Iranian civilians.
If a house is one fire, the most immediate demand is to put out the fire.

Thirdly the civilian population of Palestine has not been totally annihilated. The numbers do not reflect this. Israel could have killed a LOT more civilians if they wanted to.
First of all, we are talking specifically about Gaza and for the second part of your statement, I have no words. It makes so sad.

a forum discussing Jews being violently attacked is appropriate - I do not condone, in any way, ever, violence against any group and especially against women, children or Jews. Ultras dickheads, being Ultra dickheads and following the patterns of Ultra dickheads, no matter what nationality, ethnicity or religion, remain for me, Ultra dickheads. They are looking for a fight. They get a fight. Usually.

You’ve exposed yourself for what you are, now go spread your hate elsewhere.
This is deeply offensive to me, and suggests that you are finding your positions hard to defend. Resorting to personal attacks exposes rather a lot.

andIsaid · 11/11/2024 16:11

The above is to @Panda1222

Panda1222 · 11/11/2024 16:32

andIsaid · 11/11/2024 16:10

First of all you exposed yourself by implying Hamas are an army.
Nope. You said they could be tens of thousands of Hamas terrorists in Gaza. I amsted that by saying that sounds like an army.

If you really care about human rights why are you not mentioning what the Iranian regime is doing for humanity. The fact they are using Palestine and Lebanon to spread their Islamist authoritarian regime. The fact they want to use them to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. The fact Hezbollah are a state within a state who rape and kill innocent Syrians and Iranian civilians.
If a house is one fire, the most immediate demand is to put out the fire.

Thirdly the civilian population of Palestine has not been totally annihilated. The numbers do not reflect this. Israel could have killed a LOT more civilians if they wanted to.
First of all, we are talking specifically about Gaza and for the second part of your statement, I have no words. It makes so sad.

a forum discussing Jews being violently attacked is appropriate - I do not condone, in any way, ever, violence against any group and especially against women, children or Jews. Ultras dickheads, being Ultra dickheads and following the patterns of Ultra dickheads, no matter what nationality, ethnicity or religion, remain for me, Ultra dickheads. They are looking for a fight. They get a fight. Usually.

You’ve exposed yourself for what you are, now go spread your hate elsewhere.
This is deeply offensive to me, and suggests that you are finding your positions hard to defend. Resorting to personal attacks exposes rather a lot.

There is no point in debating with you, you are clearly an extremist. You are still justifying the violence directed at Jews and anyone who helped them. Like I said, they attacked any Jew they could find. It was planned in advance, messages were exchanged well before the game on a messaging platform called “Jew hunt”. This wasn’t retaliation, it was anti semitic racist thuggery. If you agree with that group did you ARE an anti semitic racist. I will call that out always, we cannot tolerate any of that in our society.

You mentioned before about history repeating itself. Well history is repeating itself but not in the way you think it is. Jews are being persecuted more than any other group in Europe, this feels very familiar here. I think many of us a worried about the dark path in which this is heading. I will never tolerate anti semitism so I will call out any justification of violence against Jews.

andIsaid · 11/11/2024 16:59

@Panda1222

I will not longer engage with your personal attacks and abusive tone.

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@Panda1222

Last time - please STOP using my name and posting directly at me,

Stand down.

Your accusations of anti semitism are aggressive, intimidating and simply untrue.

At no point, anywhere, have I ever said, thought or believed “everything the Jews get they deserve” from people like you.

You must stop now.

This is getting very serious indeed.

Eastie77Returns · 12/11/2024 13:07

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And yet…Israel has once again had to re-enter North Gaza to fight Hamas one year after ‘defeating’ them there. A ‘defeat’ that involved the destruction of schools that were being used as shelters, hospital and residential areas. Thousands of innocent people slaughtered so Israel can play whack-a-mole in trying to destroy Hamas fighters only to have them re-emerge months later. There is no end in sight to this cycle. Young Israeli soldiers sent off to fight and die, innocent civilians killed in their homes. It’s just an endless loop.

By the way, your disgusting comments suggesting that I celebrate terrorists are beyond the pale. However I can see from your other posts that you actually seem quite unwell and unbalanced. Wishing you inner peace.

Millie120222 · 12/11/2024 17:13

There have been “Jew hunts” in Sweden and Belgium the past couple of days. Luckily police intervened. One is being planned in the UK. Now watch all the usual suspects respond to me and justify this.

mouthpipette · 24/11/2024 17:41

Now that the dust has settled, it's revealing to see a truer picture of what happened in Amsterdam, and to contrast that with the initial coverage that filled the screens immediately after the events.,
This piece from ABC in Australia makes interesting viewing.

As does this longer piece from Zeteo.

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zeteo news amsterdam - Google Search

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prh47bridge · 26/11/2024 11:53

Given that Mehdi Hasan is a known antisemite who has a history of using lies and distortions in his efforts to win arguments, and that Paul Barry, the host of ABC's Media Watch, has been criticised for minimising antisemitism in the past, all that these videos reveal is that antisemitism is alive and strong. I wouldn't regard either of these as reliable sources concerning what happened in Amsterdam.

mouthpipette · 26/11/2024 15:51

prh47bridge · 26/11/2024 11:53

Given that Mehdi Hasan is a known antisemite who has a history of using lies and distortions in his efforts to win arguments, and that Paul Barry, the host of ABC's Media Watch, has been criticised for minimising antisemitism in the past, all that these videos reveal is that antisemitism is alive and strong. I wouldn't regard either of these as reliable sources concerning what happened in Amsterdam.

Please point out either the factual inaccuracies or the omissions in either of those reports.
Try reading the messages before you start shooting the messengers.
It would also help your understanding of the conflict were you to accept that not everyone who questions the actions of Israel or Israeli citizens is an antisemite. You are simply ignoring everyone who is critical of Israel because you think they are fuelled by antisemitism and you are denying yourself the fuller picture.
Get head out of sand and pull fingers out of ears.

prh47bridge · 26/11/2024 16:29

mouthpipette · 26/11/2024 15:51

Please point out either the factual inaccuracies or the omissions in either of those reports.
Try reading the messages before you start shooting the messengers.
It would also help your understanding of the conflict were you to accept that not everyone who questions the actions of Israel or Israeli citizens is an antisemite. You are simply ignoring everyone who is critical of Israel because you think they are fuelled by antisemitism and you are denying yourself the fuller picture.
Get head out of sand and pull fingers out of ears.

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I have never said that everyone who is critical of Israel is an antisemite. I am somewhat critical of Israel myself. In any event, that is completely irrelevant to what happened in Amsterdam. Your attempt to label me is completely wrong. You are the one who needs to get their head out of the sand and pull their fingers out of their ears. Victim blaming is inappropriate.

I'm not going to bother pulling Barry's report apart. Andrew Bolt of Sky News Australia has already done that thoroughly.

But, if you prefer to believe antisemites who want to minimise what actually happened, that is up to you.

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