Jews being hunted on streets of Amsterdam

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Horrific footage all over social media of baying mobs hunting down Jews and beating them unconscious on the streets of Amsterdam.

Never again is now. Weak fearful police forces and politicians have allowed this poison to fester all over the western world. Absolute disgraceful scenes on the streets of so called tolerant Europe.

edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html

Do you accept in any way that the supporters of Maccabi Tel Aviv also caused trouble and wished to stir up violence as they have done in the past?

All the usual denialism on here.

I suppose you'd have said Kristallnacht was just a bit of jolly window-smashing and shop-burning. Nothing to do with Jews at all.

This is what globalising the intifada looks like. I hope you're happy.

The Narcissist’s Prayer should be renamed the Antisemite’s Prayer.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

This has nothing to do with 1940 though? This is about football hooligism scum on both sides

NOBODY is saying this is acceptable on here. We're saying it isn't a pogrom.
There is dreadful violence against Jews all over the place. Including those recent random attacks on Hasidic Jews in London (scary in their utter random abruptness).
This was triggered by football violence. That doesn't lessen the awfulness at an individual level. It does mean that calls to evacuate Europe are hyperbolic.

Describing this as a Pogrom is confusing to me. I understood it to mean the large scale massacre of people because of their ethnicity (and particularly Jewish people).

Yet one Israeli newspaper has reported that “10 Israelis…were injured in the Pogrom”. The Israeli Foreign Ministry confirms that number and there are also reports of one missing Israeli.

Have I misunderstood the meaning of the word? I cannot otherwise understand how anyone can draw a comparison between organised ethnic cleansing and the systematic murder of millions on the one hand and 10 injured football supporters on the other.

Look at Millwall! -they used to have a fearsome reputation.

British football fans have been attacked at overseas matches.

Some men love to brawl and fight- and football matches allow this to take place.{unfortunately}

For someone too busy to link their claims you are doing remarkably well to keep posting.

Any comment on my question and links?

One day before the anniversary of Kristallnacht. Planned in advance. Allowed by the police.

Antisemitism has to be stopped.

I have provided a link. Thanks.

https://x.com/GuyShahar93/status/1854392152932991373

That isn't pouring oil on troubled waters is it- that's like pouring methylated spirits on a fire hoping to extinguish it.

Do you think that this kind of accusation, and hysterical thread, honestly helps Jewish people or Israelis?

As reported on CNN (not at all an Israeli-friendly news outlet)

“Dutch Prime Minister Dick Schoof said on X he was in touch with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and was “horrified by the antisemitic attacks on Israeli citizens.”

“This is completely unacceptable. I am in close contact with all parties involved and have just spoken to (Israeli Prime Minister) Netanyahu by phone to stress that the perpetrators will be identified and prosecuted,” he said, adding “the situation in Amsterdam is now calm once more.””

So the both sides/just football hooliganism posters can get in the bin.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html

I was just about to say the Dutch PM has described the violence as 'antisemitic attacks on Israeli citizens', is he 'hysterical' too @Summerhillsquare ?

https://x.com/MinPres/status/1854783199945080920

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-823171

I wouldn’t accuse anyone of being hysterical for rightly being concerned about Jewish people being targeted and attacked under any circumstances, whether that is in the context of a football game or any other occasion.

However I stand by my comments that describing these events as a Pogrom is inaccurate and the OP’s thread title that Jews are being hunted on the streets of Amsterdam is misleading.

'The National Security Council has issued a new warning to Israelis and Jews in the Netherlands.
“Avoid movements in the street and lock yourself in hotel rooms. The externalization of Israeli and Jewish symbols must be avoided.”
Israir, Arkia and El Al have added three rescue flights, on the order of the Transport Ministry.'

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-828103

Where? I can’t see any links. Let’s imagine, and without evidence that’s dubious, even if it happened in the way you said it did - that does not give the pro Palestine thugs the right to violence. Can you explain what kind of person thinks it’s okay for this level of brutality to happen regardless of what was said at the match?

I am speechless there is anyone on here defending this abysmal behaviour. I have no skin in the game, and I am totally neutral but I am horrified by this.

The Jewish community are traumatised, of course they are going to be very triggered by this footage, and consider all kinds of options. The police were next to useless. A full inquiry will be needed.

It will never be stopped. Society is regressing and if it hasn’t been stopped during periods of greater enlightenment, it never will be.

I think what horrifies me (as Jewish woman and a person!) is that there were groups of people just hovering around the football stadium waiting for the Israeli fans to leave. It wasn't two sides of a football team clashing (horrible but sadly inevitable so often) - it was one group of people literally waiting around to cause trouble.

Did the Israeli fans do a great job as international ambassadors? Nope. Did they deserve to walk out of a stadium to find many, many groups of people just waiting for them to chase them around the streets? Nope again.

My kids are the only Jewish children at their schools (primary and secondary) and my daughter has had 3 bullying incidents at school since last year - one just last month where a boy from her class backed her into a corner yelling 'free Palestine' in her face. Just because she's Jewish. She's never even visited Israel and certainly has no control over the politics there - this was a hate crime because of her religion, not her nationality or even her beliefs (she is 11!). I think it's really important for everyone to be careful about conflating the two things - it's not an overlapping circle.

Every single Jewish family has generations of stories of anti-semitism - my dad is a survivor of an attack on his synagogue in 2018, my grandmother watched two gunmen get taken down by the armed security guards at her Jewish nursing home... it's been a part of our story forever and ever so when there are people running in the streets of Europe yelling any version of 'catch the Jews' it is really triggering. But I also think people should be careful about using the word 'pogrom' so to not dilute its meaning - this was a horrific situation for sure but I wouldn't say it was a 'pogrom' exactly.

Coincidentally I had just booked a trip to Amsterdam for my daughter and I next year so am a little edgy but not cancelling. We would never go near a football match anyway!

Of course it can be prevented on this scale by good responsive policing. Strong sentencing. Custodial sentences etc.

Exactly. And so it never will be stopped. The will isn’t there. It’s not just football hooligans who are anti-Semitic.

Hysterical? King Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands expressed “deep horror and shock” over the attack and told Herzog: “We failed the Jewish community of the Netherlands during World War II, and last night we failed again.”

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-november-08-2024/