Jews being hunted on streets of Amsterdam

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Horrific footage all over social media of baying mobs hunting down Jews and beating them unconscious on the streets of Amsterdam.

Never again is now. Weak fearful police forces and politicians have allowed this poison to fester all over the western world. Absolute disgraceful scenes on the streets of so called tolerant Europe.

edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html

Israelis get all their stuff, the Hamas get the hostages and the Palestinians get slaughtered.

^ this in a nutshell.

Hamas want Israelis wiped off the earth, not a two state solution. That’s the issue here.

Hamas consists of around 30,000 armed fighters. Hezbollah consists of around 30-40,000 armed fighters.
They don't have infantry divisions or armoured divisions or any of the military infrastructure that would allow them to present an existential threat to Israel.

No lives have been lost, as terrible as football related violence is, football related violence is all this is.
Pro Israeli media and the Israeli government is spinning this for propaganda for all it's worth. Chartering planes to "rescue" Israelis from the Netherlands, please.

Apart from thousands of rockets that are launched into Israel, an army willing to murder, rape and take hostage innocent civilians sleeping in their beds. Or suicide bombers. Apart from that they are harmless.

Five of them are in hospital with serious life changing injuries. Watching the racist brutality, I would say it was extremely serious - enough for the Prime Minister to leave a EU surfing in Budapest to deal with it, and for the King to get involved.

It was a horrific sight in 2024.

You're right about one thing, it almost certainly wasn't Dutch people hunting down Jews.

Even easier would be for tolerant western democracies to say that people incapable of living in a tolerant western society are not allowed to live here anymore.

Online report from The Guardian.

Amsterdam’s police chief, Peter Holla, said there had been “incidents on both sides”, starting on Wednesday night when Maccabi fans tore down a Palestinian flag from the facade of a building in the city centre and shouted “fuck you Palestine”.

Holla said Maccabi had vandalised a taxi, which was followed by “an online call” to mobilise taxi drivers to a casino, where 400 Israeli supporters were present. Police had safely escorted supporters out of the casino, he said.

A social media video verified by Reuters showed Maccabi fans setting off flares and chanting “Olé, olé, let the IDF win, we will fuck the Arabs”, referring to the Israel Defense Forces. The police chief said a large crowd of Maccabi supporters had then gathered on Dam Square on Thursday lunchtime and there had been “fights on both sides”.

Amsterdam’s authorities banned demonstrations for three days and gave police emergency stop-and-search powers in response to the unrest.

Police said on Friday they had launched “a major investigation into multiple violent incidents” and that five people had been taken to hospital and 62 arrested. There was no evidence of “kidnappings or hostage takings” but police were “probing reports”, they said. The leaders of Israel, the US and the Netherlands condemned the attacks, while a leading Jewish group said the Dutch capital should be “deeply ashamed”.

Officials in Amsterdam said that in several places in the city, supporters were attacked, abused and pelted with fireworks and that riot police had to intervene several times to protect Israeli supporters and escort them to hotels.

Residents and businesses in Amsterdam were shocked by what appeared to be organised small groups of people chasing Israeli fans in Amsterdam’s city centre after the match.

Before the match, police escorted pro-Palestine demonstrators to an agreed protest location, but said they then split into small groups “looking for confrontation”.
There were no reports of trouble during the match at the Johan Cruyff arena, in which Ajax Amsterdam defeated Maccabi 5-0, and fans left the stadium without incident, police said.

Serious violence erupted later in the city centre with hit and run actions targeting Israeli fans, resulting in a number of “serious assaults”, according to the police, who said the precise number was still being investigated.

One Amsterdam resident, Barbara Weenink, said she had found the behaviour of Israeli fans threatening. Weenink, who has demonstrated at pro-Palestine events, said she was warned not to go out with a keffiyeh on that evening. She did not see the events after the match but had seen Israeli football fans before it. “I saw the Israeli fans walking here before the match – I found it very threatening,” she said.

The conflict in Gaza has heightened tensions across Europe, with soaring antisemetic abuse. Islamophobic incidents have also risen to record levels.

You can always count on the Guardian to water down anti semitism - it looks like they didn’t let us down this time either.

Maybe it's just an antidote to the propaganda Netanyahu is using to manipulate the situation by presenting both sides of the story.

@Golden407 These groups are not to be underestimated especially with all their money, rockets, terror raids tunnels etc. Not to mention now Iran are attacking Israel with missiles and drones. Let’s stop pretending these Arab groups don’t just hate Jews and want to eliminate Israel. That has been the plan since the 40’s and there have been many attempts to do so. We know anti semitism when we see it.

Also people need to stop down playing the violence seen in Amsterdam. These thugs are violent anti semitic racists and any with dual nationality should be deported. I am sick of people justifying the unjustifiable.

There have been attacks on Israelis prior to October 7th also. Hamas and other jihadi groups in Palestine have targeted Israelis with random killings and bombings prior to October 7th. Also you cannot re write history, Israel have tried to negotiate a two state solution on several occasions. A lot of Palestinians do not want to negotiate with Jews, plenty of footage online of them saying this for many years.

Also occupying land does not justify killing innocent civilians, raping them and burning kids. But the whole “occupying their land” is debatable anyway. Israel pre dates Palestine by a 1000 years. They have more rights to that land, they moved back in the 40s after experiencing an actual genocide in Europe. Only to have Arab countries try remove them completely and take their land. I’m not pro everything Israel have done but I’m tired of them getting ALL the blame and Arabs never taking any responsibility for THEIR actions.

Also back to the Amsterdam incident. We are sick of people bringing the Middle Eastern conflict to our countries. In the uk we have people taking to the streets weeks with their anti semitic chants, anti British chants, celebrating terrorism, calling for jihadi etc. We have had enough, we don’t want any of that here.

Ah I was waiting for “It’s the Guardian so..antisemitism”

There are multiple points in the article that make it clear violence was inflicted on Jewish people and that rampant anti semitism was at play here.

But It seems, following your logic, that reporting on facts and the mere mention of the behaviour of Israeli fans = watering down antisemitism?

Do you honestly think the Guardian shouldn’t have reported the statement made by Amsterdam’s Chief of Police? It’s a genuine question. Do you think accurate reporting of events is anti-Semitic if it mentions poor behaviour of Israelis?

I’m curious as to what you think fair, balanced reporting is because I was discussing the article with a Jewish colleague and she had a similar response to yours - “it’s the Guardian and their journalists don’t like Jews”. When I asked if they should have just disregarded what they were told happened she answered with a non sequitur about pogroms in the last century.

What is your opinion of Jewish news outlets that reported on the violence perpetrated by the Israeli football fans?

Also back to the Amsterdam incident. We are sick of people bringing the Middle Eastern conflict to our countries.

Then perhaps more should be done about football fans who travel to 'our countries' and spend the day before a football match singing and chanting about all of the children that their middle eastern country is killing and beating up taxi drivers who look like they may be from those countries? That's not the kind of behaviour that is usually tolerated in 'our countries'.

So if we've established that tearing down flags, insulting the victims of conflict (such as defacing a poster of a baby who has been taken hostage and is still missing) and chanting racist and threatening slogans ('Globalise the intifada!' for example) is justification for kicking certain people in the head, throwing certain people in a freezing cold river, and menacing certain people into showing you their identity papers, then Saturdays in London could get very interesting.

Is it justification? Or are people saying all of those things sbould be called out and dealt with by the police. The Israeli fans involved in singing and chanting about dead children the day before should have been marched back to the airport when it became clear that they didn't know how to behave themselves. The police were right there watching them doing it, they could have sent those racists home or arrested them but chose not to. People involved in the violence have been arrested and anyone else found to be involved should be arrested and they should be charged accordingly.

Of course it’s not justification. All of the things you described are completely outrageous and don’t belong in society.
its important to identify the wrongdoings on both sides. That doesn’t mean it is justifying it in any way

They certainly aren't harmless but they aren't an existential threat to Israels existence either.
The point is Israels current strategy of trying to wipe them out isn't working, Gaza is a dot on the map and IDF had been unable to wipe out Hamas in over a year of trying. Similarly in southern Lebanon the IDF has been unable to penetrate more than a couple of kilometers past the border. The objective was to create a 20 kilometre buffer zone to allow the inhabitants of the northern settlements to return home. That's failing miserably.
Israel has spent years funding Hamas on the basis that no one could honestly expect them to negotiate with terrorists. The status quo has suited them up until now as they have been able to blame the failure of the two state solution on the Palestinians who voted in Hamas.
It's quite clear Israeli strategies have failed and it's difficult to see Israel having a viable future unless it changes track and engages in meaningful negotiations to create a Palestinian state. Wouldn't hold my breath though.

The only issue is that Hamas do not appear to want a Palestine state solution….

. Israel pre dates Palestine by a 1000 years. They have more rights to that land,

This line completely exposes you as an ideologue and an extremist.

Zero point in any discussion with you.

This has nothing to do with extremism but they historically owned the land, that’s just a fact. So in regards to who’s occupying whose land it is not black and white. There is an argument for either side.

They have on a number of occasions stated they do. Perhaps they're lying? We know that the PLO definitely did, look what happened to them. Israel decided it's interests were best served by having terrorist organisation in charge in Gaza as there would be little or no international pressure for them to engage in negotiations to create a Palestinian state, so they started funding Hamas and undermining the PLO to ensure Hamas gained power. That was arguably an unwise move..

It is black and white. Perhaps Israel and their fans dispute it but the highest court in the world has decided that Israel are occupiers. There is no argument to be had. I understand that Israel are not fans of the law and rulings mean nothing to them but to the majority of us in the West they do.

The landmark ruling of 19 July 2024 declared that Israel’s occupation of the Gaza strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, is unlawful, along with the associated settlement regime, annexation and use of natural resources. The Court added that Israel's legislation and measures violate the international prohibition on racial segregation and apartheid. The ICJ mandated Israel to end its occupation, dismantle its settlements, provide full reparations to Palestinian victims and facilitate the return of displaced people.

The court also called on the international community to challenge Israel’s deliberate efforts to rewrite the rules of international humanitarian law, using it as “humanitarian camouflage” to legitimise potentially genocidal violence against all Palestinians.
^^this also seems like it is quite relevant to you.