Man killed by own XL Bully dog in home

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Will anything be done ? Will it bogroll,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrlkn8m35no

This is an interesting blog about the difference in the two countries too. Looks like rather than demonising breeds of dog, the government need to talk responsibility for the lack of legislation

eskvalleydogtraining.co.uk/blog/f/the-next-banned-breed-after-the-xl-bully

Any part of the U.K. or is this problem just specific to England?

Yes all banned breeds are legally supposed to be muzzled but everytime I see an xl bully they are not!

Spain is subject to regional laws, as well as national laws. The legislation regarding dangerous breeds is a national law, so has to be implemented in all of the autonomous communities.

The latest incident doesn't involve XL Bullies, just for info.

Phew. So that's alright then.

Yes all banned breeds are legally supposed to be muzzled but everytime I see an xl bully they are not! That needs to change. Here if the police see a dog unmuzzled the owner would get a large fine, that does depend on the region, but can be up to 3000€.

XL bullies/American Bulldogs/‘Mastiffs’ - let’s face it, a lot of these dogs come under very vague descriptions.

A big part of the issue here IS the owners, I don’t think anyone denies that - these bred types are (obviously not exclusively) largely owned by people ill-suited to keep dogs of this size, strength and temperament - and all too often by those with substance use issues too - and kept in heavily built up areas with little or no garden. I would assume this is another part of the difference in how they are perceived in other countries.

Still, it doesn’t negate the issue that for years these people have also kept other large breeds without the issues we are seeing now. There is an issue with this breed, for whatever reason. Pocket bullies won’t be much better either, not least because many are so deformed that they will be in constant pain.

Bollocks like tennis balls, huge massive shoulders swaggering around like a peacock on roids, just absolutely terrifying no muzzle 🫣 just recently I was approaching a park and had to say I'll take you out instead after being a huge mutant around the park cost me £40 going for dinner instead lol

See that's where it again starts to fall down.

Unmuzzled dog ? In public ? Just seize the dog, out it down and that's and end to that. No ifs, buts or maybes. Oh, and charge the owners as well. Don't see why my taxes should pay for other peoples inability to obey the law around pets when children are starving.

But, while everyone wastes their energy tearing that to shreds, has anyone come up with anything that actually works ?

Agree - any dog that falls under the banned legislation and doesn’t comply with it should be seized and euthanised, no question.

Yep remove it the owner doesn't care about the animal enough to obey the law and keep it safe charge them for the vets fees/,legal consequences

Sorry, but stuff "keeping it safe". Put it down. End of.

None of this "charge them for the consequences" because you will never see that money back. And like I said, I pay my taxes to hopefully keep children, not dogs, from starving.

No I mean the owner risking having it seized by not popping a muzzle on is a failure to keep both the dog and the public safe. If they don't pay the fees a prison sentence is appropriate. Those dogs are a weapon.

But, while everyone wastes their energy tearing that to shreds, has anyone come up with anything that actually works? If you read the blog I posted comparing the U.K. to Spain, then yes, the regulation here is working well.

I think most of us would support a law which is strictly enforced requiring owners to muzzle/neuter etc. Muzzles have been required for these animals since the start of the year but are the police enforcing/fining?

I'm wondering also if there is a different demographic having these dogs in Spain, not the chavvy drug dealers who have them here.

Yeah I didn't know about the complaints however it's reported he was 'looking after them for his brother' so technically not his dogs. Also they weren't banned dogs, just large American bulldogs, so they weren't Subject to same rules. But again. Not his dogs.

The brother should be charged part of the ban is the dog can not exchange hands! Not in this case but in many

I totally agree with you. The owners should not be able to palm them off on someone to go on holiday or whatever. They should be housed in specialist kennels who agree to accept them if the owner needs short term care. I've yet to see a report when the owners are saying we have had the dog since it was a puppy and loved and trained it. All the attacks seem to be on people who have had these animals for a very short period of time, they don't know their history and they don't have the experience to look after them. That said I'm not on either side but I feel sad these dogs were bred purely for size and strength by many of the unscrupulous dog dealers out there and it's signed their death warrant.

I've a Facebook friend it America who had one from a puppy for over 10 years he was woken one day to being mauled! How terrifying is that? The dog hasn't unnerved etc it just went crazy! It wasn't a £100 dog either it was a very expensive, well breed, socialised dog who had been well trained I believe it's a genetic disposition that can explode at any time in pitbulls and pitbull mixes ( that's what an xl bully is )

Thanks for that info. I was thinking about the UK attacks, but having said that a girl I worked with was attacked by a retriever that she had got from a rescue. She was trapped in the kitchen and bitten quite badly, so I still feel that in the majority of cases the dogs involved have an unknown history and temperament. If you remember the 1980s over here the dog being demonised was the rottweiler. I can even remember a spitting image sketch when someone reported to the police they had been mugged by one. Why? Because they became popular with a 'certain' type of person. I'm not saying all these dogs are big cuddly bears, I believe that through sheer designer bred size and strength they have the capability of being dangerous animals. I do think though the majority of the UK cases are from dogs changing hands/being looked after for friends etc. And that should stop. Both parties should be fined.

Also they weren't banned dogs

Do you know something ? Despite me knowing fuck all about dogs, the one fact I know I can take to the bank is that pissing about arguing about "types" is part of the reason this thread exists.

If people want to play whack-a-mole, they are more than welcome to do it in a sports hall somewhere. Not in public with innocent peoples lives, limbs and children as targets.

Well dobermans for example have a really weird genetic issue that makes narcolepsy more common in them then any other breed. Pugs have the breathing issues, it seems to me pitbulls have some sort of disposition towards rage! Combine this with a moronic inexperienced fool and that's just asking for trouble! I'm of the belief that if a nationwide cull saved one child I'd sign it.

I completely agree re a cull of all these types of dogs (and we do all know the types) for the safety of us all.

Its the absolute injustice for why on earth 🌎 is my child at risk because Liam down the road got himself a mutant dog off market place! It's insane they are more dangerous than the majority of weapons on our street yet you'll get 6-12 months in jail over a fatality? It's hideous