GMP Manchester Airport, New video

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Just posted on Manchester evening news, a video leading up to the incident.
I'm still not condoning his actions but it comes more understandable

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/new-manchester-airport-video-shows-29625111

Exactly. Innocents would never react like this against police officers. In fact, attacking police officers is a criminal offence! They are not innocents though, they have been released on bail - which means the charges are standing.

They haven’t been charged!!

Thanks all, I meant it in the context that the behaviour of the men was appalling, why would you even be behaving that way in an airport?

Because they can. Because they don’t know any better.
There is no reason to violence, just primal urges.

I do feel for the police force. They have to put up with absolute horrendous behaviour and attitudes. It doesn’t really matter what they do because they will be ridiculed or complained about either way.
I think everybody agrees that the headkick and stomping is unacceptable and that the policeman needs to be investigated for this. On the other hand, and this won’t be popular opinion, I think this also needs to be assessed as part of the whole group. There were several police officers who seemed unable to control the situation which left the ones tackling the detainees with more force than needed.

Why isnt the man in blue at the olympics? Looks like knows how to box.

Yes this sums up my feelings exactly.

I've watched this on 50% speed, the man in black is repeatedly punching a police officer in the head, he gets tasered and falls to the chair. The man in blue then punches the same police officer in the head from behind. He gets tasered and they both fall to the floor. The police officer gets up and then kicks the man in blue.

Whilst i don't condone the violence metered out by the police officer, I can see why he lashed out after being on the receiving end of several punches to the head. The animal instincts would have kicked in.

I read your first sentence nodding along and then was horrified to realise you meant the policeman not the perpetrators. I find it genuinely terrifying the level of violence that man inflicted on the female police officer, why on earth have these people not been arrested and charge?

If the perpetrators had been white this wouldn’t have even made the news and they’d have been rightly charged for the violence against the police.

Maybe it was wrong for the policeman to kick the man on the floor in the head and there should be an investigation with all the facts to establish whether this was misconduct.

The man in blue is clearly an extremely dangerous and violent individual and perhaps the police were not satisfied he was sufficiently restrained and remained a threat, hence a need to further incapacitate him.

Not saying the policeman was in the right but a full and impartial investigation is needed to establish.

I'm very glad the full footage was released.

There were 3 officers total, 1 male and 2 female. The male and one of the females look like they attempt to arrest the man in black. He starts attacking the male officer. The man in blue comes up to the female officer from behind, pulls her off and punches her in the head, she falls to the ground and is seen sat on the floor, I expect concussed. The second female officer moves forward with her taser, the man in blue swipes at her head twice causing her to fall to the ground too, then jumps the male officer from behind.

The police were outnumbered and attacked from the start - how exactly were they meant to take control of the situation? There were only 3 officers against 2 violent thugs. Plus police have to give a warning before deploying the taser, and in this scenario those additional 1-2 seconds has allowed the man in blue to attack.

Agreed.
If both parties have used violence against each other then both parties should be prosecuted.

Armed police should be well trained and should be skilled not just in pulling a trigger but also people skills.
They should be selected for their ability to conduct their duties safely and without endangering themselves and others and conduct themselves with dignity and professionalism.
They should be able to manage this in the chaotic situations they find themselves in daily.
If they can't manage to do that then they need to be dismissed.
The police need to rid themselves of thugs and those who think they are there to administer justice. They aren't. They are there to keep the peace, law & order and to present criminals to court for the justice system to make judgments upon and hand out the punishment.

I'm resigned m to be scared of criminals and thugs. Luckily I don't seem to encounter them.

I don't want to be scared of the police and their brutality. I do see the police and have had interactions with them as most citizens have.

It was always going to be the case that there was a significant context to this incident.

From reports I’ve read, the police were at the car park payment area specifically to arrest the brothers following several incidents in the airport prior to this.

I heard their lawyer interviewed on Friday and he referred to the police having attempted to assassinate his clients.

There have been a few commentators on the radio who’ve said that firearms officers are trained to use as much force as required to prevent their guns being removed and used against them or others.

Whilst it seems excessive it may explain why the officer acted the way he did having been violently attacked and attempts made to grab his weapon.

This video completely changes anyone's understanding of the situation.

Why aren't media showing it and making sure the full events are understood, rather than what seems to be a very biased version of what happens?

These men were violent thugs, and should be subject to the full force of the law, but that does not excuse the policeman's complete loss of control. I believe they have already been charged.
Kicking and stamping on a tapered suspect is not the way police will have been trained to behave. So he must lose his job and face charges relating to the actions he took.

Yes but what I'm asking is, why did the media only report one half of that situation, which gives the public a pretty biased perspective, instead of the whole thing?

There were 2 incidents before the police even got involved. Allegedly one on the plane then in Starbucks and then when the mother refused a search
In many countries they would have been shot dead acting like that in an airport
Don't fly to this country if you are not prepared to accept border control rules
I wonder if we'll ever find out what the first incident on the plane was

I think when you’ve been surrounded by hostile people, punched multiple times from in front and behind, jumped on, and are carrying a gun you don’t want taken from you, then kicking someone who is down to ensure they stay down is reasonable use of force.

The women backing him up are on the floor, he’s the only cop left standing. He can’t afford to let the aggressive man get up.

I hope that heavy charges are brought against the so called victims, and that the lawyer is done for incitement.

The officer kicked him within seconds of him being tasered and, let’s face it, there’s not a mark on him. The poor officer was punched in the head repeatedly by one brother then punched from behind by the other, jumped on and been grabbed in a chokehold and pulled to the ground. He jumped up and did the kick, which wasn’t hard. He was probably dazed and concussed. You armchair warriors sat in judgement ought to try it, see how you’d react.

As for training, they are trained to disarm and neutralise any threat. Those two thugs had shown what a threat they were.

The amount of hatred towards the police is not justified at the moment. I know there have been some awful ones in the press of late but imagine no police force at all.

Very valid question. If I was cynical I’d say it’s because they picked the story that sells better end drives more division within society.

What exactly needs investigating?

There is no situation where kicking anyone in the head is not criminal, and for a police officer to do so is 10x worse.

There is no context or set of circumstances that could make it in any way acceptable.

Investigation = 'Delay, hoping people will forget and calm down over this terrible conduct that is allowing other police to close ranks and try to explain the situation'.

Attacking a police officer, of course is serious and needs punishing. A police officer inflicting physical violence in a way that is always inappropriate, given the powers dynamics is as bad as it gets.

There is nothing to investigate! what are you believing the investigation could find that would justify the unjustifiable?

DH saw something saying that their mother was a passenger on the plane and some security staff wanted to search her and she objected. Her sons were there to meet her, she told them and they hit the roof.

Assuming airport staff have the right to search anyone they choose to, and assuming grown man can choose to handle a situation with or without violence (or extreme violence) that doesn't seem to explain much of anything.