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Livelovebehappy · 27/07/2024 23:44

Jmaho · 27/07/2024 23:36

I do agree somewhat that the police officer should have been more controlled but I knew from the initial video and the statement that GMP made, that something very serious went on prior to the initial video.
It's galling that the shady lawyer immediately made it out to be a completely innocent racially motivated attack and other scumbags started protesting without having any evidence of what had actually happened.
However I think we all know that the liklihood is that these men will get away completely scot free and the police officer will likely lose their job.
And that's so fucking wrong. That's not the way the law in this country should work.
Police and government cannot bow to the mobs. It sets a very frightening prescedent. There is so much talk of equality. The law should be equal.

Agree 100%. Hope these vile thugs get the full force of the law coming down on them. They very nearly got away with their lies had it not been for the release of this footage.

Fargo79 · 27/07/2024 23:47

It makes no difference whatsoever. He is a trained police officer, paid to do a professional job and in a trusted position of authority. His job is to deal with criminals, sometimes very violent criminals. He is not permitted to break the laws that he is there to uphold and he is not permitted to assault people. Assault isn't only a crime if the victim is a good person. I don't think anybody sensible believed that these were lovely young men going about their business when they were savagely assaulted by a police officer for no reason and I'm not sure why some people think this video changes anything.

In the same vein, the people who are now breaking the law by rioting and causing criminal damage in response to the actions of the police should also be swiftly dealt with. The answer to violence is not more violence and everybody committing offenses - the initial perpetrators, the police officer and the mobs - should be held to account.

Thatsfrenchforstopahorse · 27/07/2024 23:51

Livelovebehappy · 27/07/2024 23:42

Not clear though that there was stamping on the head. There was definitely a kick, but I think the stamping on the head claim should be disregarded. Scarey how these thugs spun such a pack of lies about what happened in the lead up to the incident. Hope the charges received includes a charge for them lying and misleading what really happened.

Just like the original video, this one also cuts out footage. It ends at the kick but there is then a stamp after this recording finishes.

CrissCrossAppleSauce · 27/07/2024 23:55

I don’t know anyone in police/law enforcement, but everyone keeps saying they are trained for this.

What does that mean, are they actually attacked and physically harmed as part of their training so they know how they will react in such a situation or is more theoretical training on what you should do in a scenario like this?

Pograze · 27/07/2024 23:55

ThisOldThang · 27/07/2024 23:30

"But training and a real life situation can play out quite differently and humans are humans & sometimes just react instinctively."

I agree. It didn't look like the policeman had much time to weigh things up and he instinctively kicked the man's head when he lifted it off the ground.

I once read an interesting article that claimed the vast majority of what we consider to be decisions aren't actually decisions. MRI scans have shown that decisions are made before the thinking part of the brain is even engaged. Our brains then rationalise what's happened as a deliberate decision, rather than an instinctive act. That kick certainly looks like one of those events.

Could even take it as far as the free will argument. None of us have free will and the copper was always going to kick him (I jest, sortof!). Philosophy board anyone?

CaravaggiosCat · 28/07/2024 00:19

Satsuma89 · 27/07/2024 23:43

I hope they are in prison for a very long time, unclear why they aren't already charged and on remand. Losing job should have happened same day, and other police present the same - complicit in the same crime if they didn't arrest the officer.

The video just confirms the criminal and completely unacceptable behaviour of the police - should be always held to the highest standard, any police who have any doubt this is completely unacceptable need to be removed, same for the mayor.

Lol...its called fuck around and find out. I hope the ridiculous protests will now cease. Why did they think they had any right to do that, I can tell you they wouldn't be pulling that shit in Pakistan and the police wouldn't be giving any explanations for the outcome either.

jen337 · 28/07/2024 00:28

User6874356 · 27/07/2024 23:05

the second thing happened at the end of the police defending themselves against extremely violent possible terrorists though. You can see how it could have happened with the adrenaline pumping and the fear that they must have felt. Of course it’s not right but definitely understandable.

Fine if you think these violent thugs deserved a taste of their own medicine, but suggesting they’re terrorists because of their ethnicity is racist. Violent thug + white = violent thug. Violent thug + brown = terrorist. But don’t worry I’m sure someone will dig up TikTok of him saying allahu akhbar soon to confirm your suspicions.

nailnp · 28/07/2024 00:37

Satsuma89 · 27/07/2024 23:43

I hope they are in prison for a very long time, unclear why they aren't already charged and on remand. Losing job should have happened same day, and other police present the same - complicit in the same crime if they didn't arrest the officer.

The video just confirms the criminal and completely unacceptable behaviour of the police - should be always held to the highest standard, any police who have any doubt this is completely unacceptable need to be removed, same for the mayor.

Have you seen the second video? Newly released showing what happened first?

Doesn't sound like you have.

Shartuday · 28/07/2024 00:42

The attacks on the police were terrible. In that case self defence followed by restraining the attacker, is permissible. However once the guy was down on the floor, that kick to the head was gratuitous violence. The police were the professionals in this scenario and have a code of conduct to follow. This was a long way off professional or acceptable .

LiterallyOnFire · 28/07/2024 01:12

We all know some police are heavy handed and bend or break rules.

That's one of the reasons why violently assaulting two coppers isn't a good idea. But they launched at the policewomen as though this is routine behaviour.

Added to which, it was, in security terms, a highly sensitive environment and the police were outnumbered and surrounded.

I hope the policewomen are okay.

I hope the two aggressors are arrested and charged.

I hope the violent cop gets a stiff warning.

And I hope that mouthy solicitor representing the thug brothers winds his neck in and stops his provocative media antics before the unrest catches light and becomes a legitimate riot.

roxyro · 28/07/2024 08:46

The so called kick to the head was just a shove with his foot. The thug in blue had punched two female police officers repeatedly and both brothers went berserk. One even knocked his mother down and then said the police did it.

i feel desperately sorry for the police in this instance. I don’t agree with police brutality but I don’t expect them to experience that level of violence and just put up with it. Don’t they have truncheons anymore because that pair of vicious thugs deserved a thorough pummelling.

hattie43 · 28/07/2024 08:54

The violence those men showed was disgusting and to punch women full on in the face like that shows just what sort of people they are . I'm very grateful to have the police protecting us from such awful people no matter whether it's ' ugly ' or not .

That solicitor of theirs needs dealing with as well causing riots about them ' being attempted assassination' .

I hope they get jail time .

hattie43 · 28/07/2024 08:56

WanderMelRat · 27/07/2024 23:01

I think they are lowlife scum and they got what they deserved. Unfortunately, the police will probably be made examples of to passify the mobs.

I think this too . Far too much leniency by the authorities for this community .

HermioneWeasley · 28/07/2024 08:59

I was completely confident that there would be footage like this - it was obvious there had been significant build up to thr actions of the officer.

TokyoSushi · 28/07/2024 09:00

As pp said, shit show all around sums it up perfectly.

TokyoSushi · 28/07/2024 09:00

Do we know why the men were behaving in such a manner in the first place?

User135644 · 28/07/2024 09:02

Abitofhassle · 27/07/2024 20:29

The level of violence that these men used against uniformed police was horrific and shows a complete disrespect for the law.
The kick to the head was horrific and I’m not condoning in any form but these men are obviously not the innocents they claimed to be.

The police are viewed as a soft touch these days (not helped by what had just happened in Leeds) and law and order breaks down as a result.

The police need supporting, the UK needs to stop being such a soft touch and terrified of certain communities and mob rule.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/07/2024 09:03

TokyoSushi · 28/07/2024 09:00

Do we know why the men were behaving in such a manner in the first place?

Because they are violent thugs?

Because they know they can get away with everything?

User135644 · 28/07/2024 09:04

CaravaggiosCat · 28/07/2024 00:19

Lol...its called fuck around and find out. I hope the ridiculous protests will now cease. Why did they think they had any right to do that, I can tell you they wouldn't be pulling that shit in Pakistan and the police wouldn't be giving any explanations for the outcome either.

Not just Pakistan either. Go to any airport abroad and start attacking armed police and your odds of avoiding being shot are low.

SummerSnowstorm · 28/07/2024 09:06

In the second video where he gets the brother handcuffed the officer is stumbling beforehand. I wouldn't be surprised if it was him who briefly lost consciousness, the level of adrenaline must have been extreme.
The 2 men attacking them look like they would have killed them given the chance.

User135644 · 28/07/2024 09:07

TokyoSushi · 28/07/2024 09:00

Do we know why the men were behaving in such a manner in the first place?

Because the UK and it's police are viewed as soft.

They wouldn't have acted like that in the airport of whatever country their flight was from/to.

roxyro · 28/07/2024 09:08

TokyoSushi · 28/07/2024 09:00

Do we know why the men were behaving in such a manner in the first place?

Do we know why the men were behaving in such a manner in the first place?

It’s there on the video. The police approached them as there had been some trouble with a passenger off the plane. The thugs took exception to this and launched a frenzied attack on the officers.

There should be zero tolerance for attacks on police doing their job and a certain community should not be given special privileges to do as they please. How anyone can defend this scum is beyond me. Violent, lying toads.

SummerSnowstorm · 28/07/2024 09:09

TokyoSushi · 28/07/2024 09:00

Do we know why the men were behaving in such a manner in the first place?

Presumably they're aware that police can't touch them and they can do what they like whilst getting public support.
The teenagers locally to us are fully aware that supermarket security can't touch them and that police would rather not even try to get involved.

BurnerName1 · 28/07/2024 09:13

ObliviousCoalmine · 27/07/2024 23:20

Yeah, this.

They're trained for this. This is their job. If you respond like that to provocation, you shouldn't be a police officer.

Good luck finding more sacrificial lambs to be police officers. Would you do unsociable hours with the worst people in society for 30-40k a year?

Sunlime · 28/07/2024 09:14

It definitely changes the narrative that they were unfairly targeted and that the man was well restrained on the floor when mere seconds before he was assaulting police officers and still a threat.

That said, kicking someone in the head isn't a form of justifiable restraint. I do feel for the officer as he's human but in a role like this there needs to be such a high level of discipline and restraint that an independent enquiry is fair; not just to assess his actions but also to see if anything can be learnt by this and whether there are more effective ways and additional resources needed to manage situations such as these.

It isn't clear whether the men have been charged, if not why on earth not? Given where this happened, I think there'll be more trouble if there isn't any follow up or punishment for them.