GMP Manchester Airport, New video

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Just posted on Manchester evening news, a video leading up to the incident.
I'm still not condoning his actions but it comes more understandable

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/new-manchester-airport-video-shows-29625111

What utter, biased tripe.

a police officer is still a human being and feels pain and fear.

this was a firearms officer. They are trained to disarm and neutralise a threat. They are allowed to use force and they are allowed to fight back when under attack.

These goons had already been causing trouble in two other locations in the airport and the one in blue was being arrested for such when they both went berserk. The officer that tapped him with his foot had been battered repeatedly by both of them. Interestingly the one that was supposedly kicked didn’t have a mark on him.

You need to give your head a wobble.

What I'm finding really odd, is the way that every media outlet seems to have decided to put out a really biased version of events. Not just one media outlet, all of them, at the same time. All with the same bias.

What this means is you can be an adult living in this country, which is supposedly a democracy, but only get a version of events that you are permitted to have. Which may be a really partial truth, compared with having the full context. That doesn't sit well with me. I'm an adult, I want all the facts and to make my own mind up about anything. Who decided this version of events is the one that would be put out.

It makes me wonder what else would look really different, if the media gave out all the information about it.

Ultimately if violent thugs attacked ARMED police officers in an AIRPORT in any ither country, they would have been shot.

Lets not forget, these officers are human at the end of the day and the Tori's have ran them down so muchthe training is shit. They absolutely dont get paid enough to deal with this absolute bollocks and the thugs should have rhe book thrown at them. Maybe they wont act like fucking morons next time

Of course they are human, but by selecting the role have to put the public safety above their own and control their reactions to be in control at all times, and manage fear so it doesn't affect judgement.

Agreed they can fight back under attack - but only using approved techniques, and of course must stop using inappropriate force once not under attack. At the time of the kick the officer was not under attack by the person on the ground, so there is no relevance to your point.

Any events leading up to the kick are irrelevant - it wouldn't have mattered if the evil little shit had murdered other officers and shot at him, if he no longer had a gun and was on the ground, a kick to the face is never valid - next you'll be justifying he could shoot someone who had surrendered.

This officer, along with those who strip-searched young woman have shown GM police to be out of control and can no longer command the trust of the public. Any good police officers should come forward immediately and disown the actions of these colleagues (all of which are complicit) - otherwise, they are all as bad as we have seen.

You can't have it both ways - Tony Martin wasn't a police officer so had much more right to act out of fear, but the police decided otherwise.

The armed officer, while groggy after being choked out, punched in the head several times, attacked from in front and behind, and with two colleagues on the floor and a gun protect, acted to ensure the guy on the floor in front of him didn’t get up again. He had no way of knowing whether someone else was going to jump on him imminently. He needed to eliminate a threat so he could defend himself and his colleagues against everyone else. He was the only policeman left standing, and had no way of knowing whether he was safe yet or still under attack.

I hope there’s a full investigation, I hope the men are prosecuted and I hope the police officer is given counselling and further training.

And I hope the shit stirring lawyer is prosecuted for incitement.

The events leading up to the kick are absolutely not irrelevant.

Please can you post a link to the version of events you are seeing which isn’t the biased one? Genuine request.

I feel really sorry for the police these days, who would do such a thankless, hostile job? No wonder the applications for armed officers is so low.
It’s truly chilling to see the mental gymnastics some scumbags will stoop to paint the police as the villains, at all times..

I agree. The thug apologists on this thread should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

Do I condone police violence in a general sense? No. Do I think the whole lead up to this is relevant? 100%

You're just making it up now - there are two other police officers (not on the floor) actively taking part wen the kick occurred. Just watch the original video again.

Still makes no difference - kicking and stamping on someones head is never valid - even if he was previously an attacker, he is there to protect that person.

Police officer needs disciplining but does not deserve sacking or prosecution. Members of the public need prosecuting.

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Oh you mean the female staggering around with blood dripping from her broken nose? Or the one brave female officer who managed to get up off the floor and taser the thug on the male officer’s back who looked like he was reaching for his gun?

Your reading of this is so skewed. I hope you’re never in need of the police. Hang your head.

I agree.
Imagine attacking a police officer in say the USA in an airport. They would have likely been shot dead not tasered. The gall of them to then sit acting innocent.

Potential brain injury in the policeman could account for his behaviour. That will undoubtedly be a line of enquiry.
Also level of threat will be relevant to his ability to remain in control. Not relevant for the employment side of things but is relevant for the criminal side of things.

That police officer was punched so many times in the head with force, I’m not sure if most people could see straight after that. I think I would struggle to make decisions rapidly in that context. If someone choked me then punched me in the head ten times I’d be staggering around feeling pretty bewildered.

Also the guy on the floor wasn’t cuffed, he still presented a danger, tasering doesn’t necessarily incapacitate, I checked on google and it’s 5 seconds.

I would concede a behaviour change could be accounted for by brain injury, for instance pressing a trigger due to spasm - but not the decisive action of going over to someone to kick them in the head. There simply is nothing that could ever justify that explicit act - its an unacceptable action that's been consciously decided.

Level of threat has no bearing at all - a police officer should be in control irrespective of the threat and never assault someone by kicking them in the head. This was really a minor incident, think if something significant had occurred.

I appreciate the answer, and at least the prior terrible scenes were not trying to be used as a justification.

I think it’s hard to gauge level of threat when you’ve been chocked and bashed in the head repeatedly. I imagine you are on auto pilot and trying to neutralise any threat. You are expecting him to function like he wasn’t just the victim of a vicious assault centred on his head. Tbh I have no worries about that policeman, I’m very worried about those two thugs wandering about.

I'm very worried that an armed officer could lose control like that and take revenge on a person accused of a crime.

I agree regarding the thugs being prosecuted, and in all likelihood the weak way the courts deal with crimes that affect real people; but no, I expect police to not react of control and in revenge - that's what training is about.

The same officer is later seen out of control again using PAVA spray.

Agree. Faced with that violence it’s lucky they turn up to keep people like the mner you replied to safe

There’s a fair few countries where this would be the outcome

I don’t know, to me loss of control would have been shooting the twat.

Most people cannot physically function after an attack like that. I don’t think you are really considering what state you would be in after being choked and punched in the head. Fairly sure I’d be on the ground. He is after all a human being not robocop. It is physically impossible for most of us to take a beating that vicious to the head and retain perfect decision making capability.

Also I don’t think it’s revenge, I think he was making sure he wouldn’t be getting up again. Don’t forget he wasn’t cuffed yet. He was still a threat and demonstrated quite well that he was a threat with his previous behaviour.

Any incident involving this level of violence should be investigated appropriately, which is what they are doing. It would be impossible for police to do their job is there wasn’t an allowable level of force. I imagine people with experience of this kind of thing will be having a good look at the videos, collecting statements and determining if that threshold has been met.

The hard to determine part is how much conscious thought he actually had at that point.
It looked like the initial punches from the larger brother where he slumped back potentially briefly knocked him out. The effects of that coupled with him being strangled (it doesn't take long of that to feel like your life is at risk), seeing his 2 colleagues fairly out of action and experience he will have of some people getting up quickly from a taser will all have to be taken into account.

The issue is that there were other methods such as pepper spray which should have been his first line of thought even if he didnt feel capable of physical restraint strength wise after the beating. Whilst not ideal as it would have impacted others and himself, it could have still safely incapacitated him whilst waiting for backup.

Criminally they will have to look at whether he thought his life was at risk if the man got back up, and whether he thought he was incapable of any other means of keeping him down.
Even then, its dodgy territory and would need a good lawyer.

On the police side of things I can't see any way he could be any front line role again, though depending on the criminal trials findings it may give justification to keep him employed in a desk role.

It's impossible to really judge him without knowing his general character too. It could be that this is completely out of character which would lean towards it being a fear response, or he could generally be aggressive which completely changes the likely reasoning.

I said earlier I thought your reading of the situation is skewed. I now think you’re being deliberately difficult.

The same officer wasn’t spraying anyone. That was back up. That officer went straight to hospital. Seriously what are you on?

You know what they are on- a wind up.
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