Sex offender granted asylum?

[cordeliachaseatemyhandbag]

Given the other thread was deleted I'm assuming we aren't allowed to talk about the ongoing criminal incident/investigation.

However it's the top story on the bbc news that a convicted sex offender was granted asylum then has gone on to seemingly commit another violent offence.

Surely there should be a blanket ban on convicted sex offenders being granted asylum?

[2dogsandabudgie]

Agree, he should never have been granted asylum, and I hope once convicted he is deported. I doubt that will happen though.

[ChardonnaysBeastlyCat]

The way I understood it was that he was granted asylum and then offended?
I might be wrong though.

[2dogsandabudgie]

No he was convicted for a sex offence in 2018. Afterwards he was granted asylum on his third application.

[ChardonnaysBeastlyCat]

Oh Ok, I got it wrong then.

[AgnesX]

The rules have been changed since he was granted asylum. I would think that after this they'll be changed again.

[NoCloudsAllowed]

Erm, I don't know how it works but if you're granted asylum because you'll be tortured, murdered etc if you go back to your home country, I'm not sure of the morality of refusing asylum on the basis of sexual offending, it would basically be a death sentence.

Better to grant asylum if there are grounds for that then punish sexual offending properly - this is the main problem in this country, asylum seekers and British nationals alike are not prosecuted, convicted an sentenced adequately.

[notknowledgeable]

I hope he isn't caught until it is far too late to treat his face. I hope he is in agony and I hope he gets an infection and goes totally blind

[ClaudiaWinklepanda]

Does this appear to be an admin error, or can people be granted asylum having been found guilty of a violent crime in the country they’re applying to?

[peachescariad]

I hope he's caught and deported.

[SillyMoose]

@notknowledgeable

I hope he isn't caught until it is far too late to treat his face. I hope he is in agony and I hope he gets an infection and goes totally blind

Me too. And then deported.

[MoltenLasagne]

Two failed asylum attempts and then claimed to have converted to Christianity on the third attempt. A priest acted as a character witness despite Abdul already having been convicted of a sex offense at that point.

[HermioneWeasley]

@NoCloudsAllowed

Erm, I don't know how it works but if you're granted asylum because you'll be tortured, murdered etc if you go back to your home country, I'm not sure of the morality of refusing asylum on the basis of sexual offending, it would basically be a death sentence.

Better to grant asylum if there are grounds for that then punish sexual offending properly - this is the main problem in this country, asylum seekers and British nationals alike are not prosecuted, convicted an sentenced adequately.

If you don’t fancy having your request for asylum declined and being returned to your home country, don’t commit sex offences. They’re not mandatory you know?

[ScierraDoll]

@NoCloudsAllowed

Erm, I don't know how it works but if you're granted asylum because you'll be tortured, murdered etc if you go back to your home country, I'm not sure of the morality of refusing asylum on the basis of sexual offending, it would basically be a death sentence.

Better to grant asylum if there are grounds for that then punish sexual offending properly - this is the main problem in this country, asylum seekers and British nationals alike are not prosecuted, convicted an sentenced adequately.

How on earth do you know he would be tortured? Perhaps he ran away from his home country because he was on the run from the police. Has it occurred to you that he could have lied about his background. Have you considered that he may have a history of similar behaviour in his home country.
Now we are stuck with the cost of keeping him in prison for donkeys years.
If he'd been sent to Rwanda when he first arrived on the back of a lorry ........

[Goldenbrowntexturelikesun]

The worrying thing is just how many other people are granted asylum after committing serious offences in this country? He can’t be the only one.

This country is a disgrace and our government doesn’t give a shiny shit about us, especially women.

I am encouraging my teen dc to seriously consider leaving this country when they can.

I can not stop thinking about those poor little girls.

[notknowledgeable]

@ScierraDoll

How on earth do you know he would be tortured? Perhaps he ran away from his home country because he was on the run from the police. Has it occurred to you that he could have lied about his background. Have you considered that he may have a history of similar behaviour in his home country.
Now we are stuck with the cost of keeping him in prison for donkeys years.
If he'd been sent to Rwanda when he first arrived on the back of a lorry ........

How would that of helped? or is it ok to send violent and dangerous individuals that we are responsible for to be violent and dangerous to poorer women out of sight?

[Dapbag]

According to the BBC this morning the current situation is that you have to have been imprisoned for more than a year before asylum is refused. Any crime less than that is not a barrier.

[Babadook76]

@NoCloudsAllowed

Erm, I don't know how it works but if you're granted asylum because you'll be tortured, murdered etc if you go back to your home country, I'm not sure of the morality of refusing asylum on the basis of sexual offending, it would basically be a death sentence.

Better to grant asylum if there are grounds for that then punish sexual offending properly - this is the main problem in this country, asylum seekers and British nationals alike are not prosecuted, convicted an sentenced adequately.

What an absolute crock of shit. I actually can’t believe you’ve just said that. I bet you’d be changing your tune if it was your daughter/sister/mother he’d raped.

[Sarah2891]

It should never have happened and they need to make sure it doesn't again.

[MabelMaybe]

This person was able to stay because, at the time, you had to have been convicted of a sentence of 2+ years to be deported. Now it's 1= year so had he done the same thing last week as an asylum seeker, he'd have been deported.

For me, the issue is why this sort of offence (presumed to be flashing) warrants only a low sentence. Had it been sentenced as a sexual assault on a woman, which is what it was, he'd have been out. Treat sexual offences against women seriously and he'd fall within the remit of the existing sentencing, at whatever point in time.

[cheezncrackers]

He should never have been granted asylum and apparently he'd been turned down twice (quite rightly) and got it on his third try (why the fuck does the UK system allow this???) when a priest vouched for the sincerity of his conversion to Christianity. FFS! Converting to Christianity as an excuse for staying in the UK is a well-worn trope for people who have no chance of staying otherwise. Our asylum system is a joke and utterly broken.

[desolcat]

@NoCloudsAllowed

Erm, I don't know how it works but if you're granted asylum because you'll be tortured, murdered etc if you go back to your home country, I'm not sure of the morality of refusing asylum on the basis of sexual offending, it would basically be a death sentence.

Better to grant asylum if there are grounds for that then punish sexual offending properly - this is the main problem in this country, asylum seekers and British nationals alike are not prosecuted, convicted an sentenced adequately.

I'm usually a soft touch but come on! This man has effectively destroyed the lives of that family he should never have been granted asylum and should be deported.

[Xoxoxoxoxoxox]

@NoCloudsAllowed

Erm, I don't know how it works but if you're granted asylum because you'll be tortured, murdered etc if you go back to your home country, I'm not sure of the morality of refusing asylum on the basis of sexual offending, it would basically be a death sentence.

Better to grant asylum if there are grounds for that then punish sexual offending properly - this is the main problem in this country, asylum seekers and British nationals alike are not prosecuted, convicted an sentenced adequately.

Don't you think that the Government of this country has any responsibility towards the people of this country not to be subject to crime when it considers applications?
Is there no minimum requirement of a lack of criminal behaviour expected from asylum seekers?
His application was rejected twice, we don't know why and the third application after the sexual offence prosecution in Newcastle, his application was accepted.

We know that sexual offenders do not stop predating on women and so he was an obvious risk to the women of Newcastle, and then he went on to commit this horrendous attack.

It does no good for the cause of assylum seekers as a whole to hand wave criminals in to the country.

[MabelMaybe]

This person was granted asylum on the basis of a Christian faith which wasn't in evidence when he was convicted of a sexual offence. Had that been sentenced appropriately, he wouldn't have been seeking asylum as a Christian at risk on return to Afghanistan, because he wasn't yet a Christian.

[FiveShelties]

@NoCloudsAllowed

Erm, I don't know how it works but if you're granted asylum because you'll be tortured, murdered etc if you go back to your home country, I'm not sure of the morality of refusing asylum on the basis of sexual offending, it would basically be a death sentence.

Better to grant asylum if there are grounds for that then punish sexual offending properly - this is the main problem in this country, asylum seekers and British nationals alike are not prosecuted, convicted an sentenced adequately.

To be honest if someone had sexually abused me or my family/friends, I don't give a shit what happens to him.