Sex offender granted asylum?

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Given the other thread was deleted I'm assuming we aren't allowed to talk about the ongoing criminal incident/investigation.

However it's the top story on the bbc news that a convicted sex offender was granted asylum then has gone on to seemingly commit another violent offence.

Surely there should be a blanket ban on convicted sex offenders being granted asylum?

Presumably your government has a duty to the British people, not to all women everywhere. The people who vouch for his good character or whatever should face some consequences. They are paving the road to hell with their ‘good’ intentions

This on the back of the case of the Nottingham murders is really chilling me. Who are these people who walk among us? Why are they allowed to be here? Why do their rights trump mine? What do they contribute to society?
(I'm an immigrant from Irelandwho have had similar problems with attacks on women and children recently.) Why isn't the state keeping us safe from these monsters?
I've become really hard-hearted.

I've heard similar cases, a student at my university was raped by a man who had been given asylum after committing a previous sexual assault. Don't they all get granted asylum eventually, what is the alternative? Granted leave to stay? They are still here right? And it's immoral to send them back to where they came from or anywhere else??

Very difficult one to argue in court, I imagine. A good human rights lawyer could argue that being a violent offender does not preclude someone from being in danger if they are returned to Afghanistan and would probably
win. Obviously don't know if this was the case with this man’s appeal but I wouldn’t be surprised.

Wherever it is, I hope he’s locked up for a very long time. I can’t get my head around what he did, especially to the youngest child. Monster fits in this case, I think.

I don't understand why he would put his future and his life in jeopardy by committing a Sexual offence . I think when people come here claiming asylum or to work from another country they get informed of our culture and that women here are considered equal to men and can dress and make choices for themselves and any criminal offending such as sexual offending and violence , drugs etc could jeopardise their stay in this country.

In his culture women are considered inferior and are treated dreadfully. It does not excuse what he has done . Maybe he thought the youngest child was not his hence the inexcusable violence used toward her and her mother .

Ok here is another case, battery, facing a rape conviction, granted leave to stay by the Home Office

I presume there are many others

www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/exeter-uni-lockdown-party-gatecrasher-8514968

Plus if they have a child with someone I would think they could claim on right to a family life .

Maybe if their asylum claims were put into jeopardy by their offending they would think twice about committing offences. People do what they think they can get away with .

Maybe if their asylum claims were put into jeopardy by their offending they would think twice about committing offences. People do what they think they can get away with

Its not only asylum seekers commiting these offences - how many men do you think abuse women every day - we have enough of "our own" abusers in this country, they just don't make fromt page news. The fact he is an asylum seeker is irrelevant to me, he did a disgusting thing and needs punishing for it - irrespective of where he is from.

All very hard as under the European Convention on Human Rights he could claim that deportation would risk violation of his A2 / A3 rights (right to life and right to not be tortured / suffer inhumane treatment). I put this on the old thread, but French politicians have suggested that they will thwart the European Court on Human Rights by just deporting criminals and then paying the court a fine for not following due process. It's vexing to see men who clearly hate women and come from cultures where there is no conception of 'human rights' then use those rights to stay here and enjoy the benefits of a rights-focussed culture. I'm generally pro-immigration and think that cultures benefit from a mix of people, but why should we accept violent criminals from cultures where public contempt for / violence against women is more normalised or accepted? I've always been really left wing but my views on this have changed radically in the last year or so.

@tiggergoesbounce but why should a foreign convicted sex offender be allowed to stay here to then commit more crimes against women and children?
It's not the same thing at all.

It virtue signallers like this that are part of the problem. Like those who stopped a convicted rapist from being deported.
They know Britain is a soft touch that's why they are all trying to get here.

Funny isn't it how the likes of Gary Lineker and his mob are always silent when things like this happen 🤔

Why does it bother you where they are from ??
Surely the fact he is punished is key?

People keep talking about these predominantly mens rights and welfare if they are sent back to there countries.

Here recently a lot of asylum seekers h
Have been put in this area and there has been increased cases of girls between the ages of 12 and 15 being approached by these men

I don't want to make it a race issue and I get British men harras women and girls too.but cases are rising here and we need to put the safety of our children before anything else.

I disagree entirely that the asylum status is irrelevant. 'Asylum' indicates that a country you don't belong to and probably have no connection with has opened its doors to you, welcomed you in and is supporting you - or rather that the working people of that country are giving their time and money to your support. Surely that ought to generate some kind of gratitude or recognition- at the very least some element of moral reciprocity in the asylum seeker.
There's a column on Scotsnet I think at the moment about the use of the phrase 'forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors ' which is the old Scottish formulation in place of the English 'trespasses' In the Lord's Prayer. I've often thought that the decent person should also 'pay our debts' by which I mean recognising what others have done for us and paying it back/ on.
It's not right to grant asylum to violent - almost invariably male - criminals to the extreme cost and suffering of others.

I think we need to be realistic about people using the system eg the priest part

*waiting with bated breath for the delete button..........

@tiggergoesbounce do you not understand? I wasn't born in the uk either. If I commited a sexual assault I would think it was perfectly reasonable that I should have my citizenship revoked. The second crime wouldn't have happened at all if that had been the case.

I didn't think the UK extradites criminals if they will face the death penalty in the third country. Maybe that had something to do with it(?)

I assume the last thread was actually deleted because of the rampant racism.

It is completely fair to discuss why the state is failing women and girls so completely that this man had the freedom to attack a woman and her two little girls. But let’s stop pretending that this is unique to the asylum system. It is becoming a recurring theme: police, armed forces, justice system, councils have been complicit, there’s been grooming in outsourced children’s homes, rampant sexual harassment in government. It is ridiculous to make this out as an asylum issue when there are failures on, so many fronts.

Do not use those little girls as an excuse to air your anti-refugee sentiment. They make a tiny proportion of this country. VAWG is huge issue.

It’s not our choice sadly, it’s who is paying traffickers to get here

Then making unprovable claims such as I have converted

So what needs to be in place to stop that? The law enables it

All of this

Injury plus high cost

No person should commit a crime.

Should those who already live here not show a sign of gratitude and respect for the country they have been lucky enough to be born into, appreciate the rights we have and respect the laws of the land???

Should the argument not be that our justice system needs to do better, for all. It needs to actually give out sentences to those committing these heinous crimes and punish them properly. Not just Asylum seekers, but including those who have been granted asylum here as well as everyone else.

He's only offending against women, give the poor man a few more chances. He assaulted men this time so clearly is more important now.