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Sex offender granted asylum?

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cordeliachaseatemyhandbag · 02/02/2024 08:16

Given the other thread was deleted I'm assuming we aren't allowed to talk about the ongoing criminal incident/investigation.

However it's the top story on the bbc news that a convicted sex offender was granted asylum then has gone on to seemingly commit another violent offence.

Surely there should be a blanket ban on convicted sex offenders being granted asylum?

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ThePoshUns · 02/02/2024 11:43

App13 · 02/02/2024 11:41

I believe after his conviction he converted to Christianity, and had a priest prove his conversion. As he came from Afghanistan, he would no longer be safe as a non Muslim and so was allowed to stay on that basis.

How convenient for him.

IClaudine · 02/02/2024 11:44

This is the information I read (it is aimed at asylum seekers):

The immigration rules are now weighted very much in favour of deporting a person after a criminal sentence.

The rules state that if you were sentenced for more than 12 months, your deportation is “conducive to the public good and in the public interest”. The rules also say that your deportation is “conducive to the public good and in the public interest” if your offending “caused serious harm” as determined by the Home Office, or you are a “persistent offender who shows a particular disregard for the law”, irrespective of how long you were sentenced for.

If you are liable to deportation, your spouse or civil partner and/or your child are also liable to be deported unless they have Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK in their own right, or are British, or have been living apart from you.

If you were sentenced to more than four years, the Home Office guidance says you will need to have “very compelling circumstances” in order for a deportation order not to be made or to be revoked. The courts, however, may have a different interpretation of what counts as those circumstances than the Home Office.

Angrycat2768 · 02/02/2024 11:48

The asylum system is underfunded, crap and too slow. Which is why it takes so long to process applications, leaving criminals able to have children and claim ' right to a family life'. He should have been deported. All these do gooders ( including the priest who fell for his damasceme conversion) have done is make a woman and children, who were also asylum seekers, (and if they are known to him, probably also from Afghanistan) suffer unspeakable violence. Imagine, they came here looking for a place of safety, away from the horrific violence inflicted on women and girls in Afghanistan, and were then faced with exactly what they were trying to escape, but here. On the streets of London. The asylum system is supposed to protect the persecuted and oppressed. We can't do that if we let the people who are guilty of the oppression into the UK.

EasternStandard · 02/02/2024 11:51

App13 · 02/02/2024 11:41

I believe after his conviction he converted to Christianity, and had a priest prove his conversion. As he came from Afghanistan, he would no longer be safe as a non Muslim and so was allowed to stay on that basis.

If this works people can’t be surprised it’ll be used

This and other unprovable stuff

There’s a whole industry of people from lawyers to charities ready to ok it

And traffickers to sell it for big profits in the first place

inamarina · 02/02/2024 11:54

whereaw · 02/02/2024 11:14

@tiggergoesbounce I don't agree. If I go to another country I would respect their laws and values. I don't believe I have a right to do what I like and stay there regardless.
Why do you want to give criminals like him a chance over people who really deserve it?

It's hardly the same as saying 'fit in or f off' to say 'don't rape women or f off'.
Why should we have to spend our tax money punishing them and (failing to) rehabilitate them, before they are released and do the same thing again?

I agree. I’m an immigrant myself and I just don’t get the attitude of people who seem to think: “Now that he’s here he’s our responsibility, nothing to be done about that, and anyway, our men commit crimes too.”

shearwater2 · 02/02/2024 11:55

Stupid broken asylum system. We don't need to write the Daily Mail's headlines for them, FFS.

InkySplott · 02/02/2024 12:06

whereaw · 02/02/2024 11:37

@IClaudine what sentence do they have to receive to be automatically deported? Do you know if it happens/ how often?

Believe if it's a long one over 5 years ?

Laiste · 02/02/2024 12:07

App13 · 02/02/2024 11:41

I believe after his conviction he converted to Christianity, and had a priest prove his conversion. As he came from Afghanistan, he would no longer be safe as a non Muslim and so was allowed to stay on that basis.

It's just amazing isn't it?

I hope the bleeding heart that ruled that he could stay is happy he's 'safe' and living his best life here in the UK. With fuck all regard to the safety of women already here 🙄🙄🙄

I cannot eyeroll enough!!

MCOut · 02/02/2024 12:11

Bridgetta · 02/02/2024 11:18

But let’s stop pretending that this is unique to the asylum system. It is becoming a recurring theme: police, armed forces, justice system, councils have been complicit, there’s been grooming in outsourced children’s homes, rampant sexual harassment in government. It is ridiculous to make this out as an asylum issue when there are failures on, so many fronts

Put it another way — it’s bad enough in Britain, why make it worse with unvetted men from cultures that do not view women as equals

We know that the police fails victims, we know the justice system fails victims, we know the service police outright protects, perpetrators, we do not know if individual asylum seekers will commit crime. The vast majority will not. All this does is contributes to a hostile environment that leads to cases which impact women like the Yarl’s Wood sexual assaults. Asylum seekers, make up 0.6% of the UK, don’t let lazy stereotyping distract from the actual issue.

PP is right, if the various government agencies prioritised VAWG this man would’ve been locked up along with many other known, dangerous predators free on the street.

IClaudine · 02/02/2024 12:12

InkySplott · 02/02/2024 12:06

Believe if it's a long one over 5 years ?

If it is over a year it can be considered. See the extract I posted.

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 12:12

IClaudine · 02/02/2024 11:18

The heart of the issue is the fact that those who commit VAWG are given lenient sentences or, more often, are never actually prosecuted at all. If this man had been given the sentence he deserved, he could have been kicked out afterwards.

How can we be kept safe when even the police get away with it scot free time and time again?

Edited

If he'd been given the sentence he deserved he would not have met the threshold to be granted asylum in the first place.

badwolf82 · 02/02/2024 12:14

MinnieCauldwell · 02/02/2024 09:50

The murderer of Sarah Everard was 'just flashing' prior to her abduction, it always seems to be a pre cursor to something more serious. I know his name but refuse to type it or say it.
I hope you dies from sepsis so we don't have to treat him and house him.

The man known as the Golden State Killer started out as a “peeping tom”. Went on to rape more than 50 women and kill at least 13 people. These crimes are often dismissed as “nuisance “ when in fact they can be precursors to horrific crimes. As seen in this attack. They need to be dealt with more seriously.

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 12:16

InkySplott · 02/02/2024 11:27

Plus if asylum seekers were booted out if they commit sexual offences then that would be a deterrent plus if they did get booted out for that offence then it's one less man who is a danger to women.

They would never get booted out for sexual offences because some human rights lawyer would argue their lives were in danger if forced to return. And because this country has completely lost its way, we'd all agree.

If his asylum claim was so strong, why was it rejected twice? Presumably they felt it was safe for him to return to Afghanistan as a Muslim which is why he conveniently converted to Christianity.

MCOut · 02/02/2024 12:17

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 12:12

If he'd been given the sentence he deserved he would not have met the threshold to be granted asylum in the first place.

Exactly

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 12:19

And before this thread is deleted due to 'racism', it's not racist to have serious concerns about the cultural changes taking place in the UK in a very short space of time with no one brave enough to have a conversation about whether diversity is always a good thing and whether segregation of communities across the UK should be encouraged.

We are not alone. France, Germany and Sweden are all slowly waking up to the ramifications of unfettered progressive policies and their effects on women and girls.

Deathbyathousandcats · 02/02/2024 12:23

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 12:19

And before this thread is deleted due to 'racism', it's not racist to have serious concerns about the cultural changes taking place in the UK in a very short space of time with no one brave enough to have a conversation about whether diversity is always a good thing and whether segregation of communities across the UK should be encouraged.

We are not alone. France, Germany and Sweden are all slowly waking up to the ramifications of unfettered progressive policies and their effects on women and girls.

After all, nobody has actually consulted the citizens of this country have they? It’s just imposed from above.

MCOut · 02/02/2024 12:23

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 12:19

And before this thread is deleted due to 'racism', it's not racist to have serious concerns about the cultural changes taking place in the UK in a very short space of time with no one brave enough to have a conversation about whether diversity is always a good thing and whether segregation of communities across the UK should be encouraged.

We are not alone. France, Germany and Sweden are all slowly waking up to the ramifications of unfettered progressive policies and their effects on women and girls.

You yourself acknowledge the obviousness that if this man had been given the sentence, he deserved, he would not have been able to stay here.

The problem with these conversations is that they place the blame for this entirely on immigrant communities without taking two seconds to wonder how the state and local communities have played into this. You cannot have a state which encouraged multiculturalism for decades, white flight, institutional racism and the like and then demand integration.

falafelover · 02/02/2024 12:24

Why allow more young males, especially those from cultures that do not view women as equals, into the country?

Yep. A lot of people here seem to have some soppy idea that the whole world shares our values and social mores. Newsflash: they don't! A number of other cultures have extremely different views and standards on women, homosexuality etc. Do you think they magically shed these views when they step foot on British soil?

Why is it that the people who are most concerned about VAWG and homophobia are the most naive and silly when it comes to this fact? Absolute mugs.

LakeTiticaca · 02/02/2024 12:27

App13 · 02/02/2024 11:41

I believe after his conviction he converted to Christianity, and had a priest prove his conversion. As he came from Afghanistan, he would no longer be safe as a non Muslim and so was allowed to stay on that basis.

So once again the rights of a convicted sex offender trump the rights of the general public. I'm pretty sure that
He'd soon drop the Christianity scam if he was deported back where he came from

EasternStandard · 02/02/2024 12:28

The issue is the system rewards profit via traffickers and stuff like converting via a priest

Most people must be able to see by now how this criminal used the system

Soubriquet · 02/02/2024 12:29

Thing is we aren’t being racist. We don’t care that he’s an asylum seeker or from Afghanistan. We care that he was granted asylum after already being a criminal which allowed him to preform another horribly seriously criminal act here.

Zebedee999 · 02/02/2024 12:31

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines - previously banned poster.

Spot on. The first duty of a government is to protect its own citizens. In this case he had already come to the country in the back of a lorry illegally (i.e. a criminal) then was convicted of a sex crime. After both these criminal acts he was then granted asylum. A decent person would appreciate being in the UK and safe and obey the laws of the land. It is tim ethe civil servants waving these criminals through were prosecuted for neglect of their responsibilities to the rest of us.
There are so many such cases including the poor girl murdered and dumped in a canal by a convicted Lithuanian murderer.
But hey ho it's racist to say I don't want such sorts in this country and stuff women's safety.

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 12:31

@MCOut I'm not blaming immigrants for the state of affairs, I'm blaming politicians who are too weak to consider and discuss publicly the societal impacts of mass migration from countries which are very different to ours.

Migration from decades ago was different because people tended to come from former empire colonies and they saw GB as the 'motherland' and actively wanted to immigrate.

The demographic makeup today is very different.

I don't have an issue with an immigration system which is well planned and fair and helps to make the UK a better place for all. That's not remotely what we have at the moment.

JimBobsWife · 02/02/2024 12:34

Soubriquet · 02/02/2024 12:29

Thing is we aren’t being racist. We don’t care that he’s an asylum seeker or from Afghanistan. We care that he was granted asylum after already being a criminal which allowed him to preform another horribly seriously criminal act here.

Quite. We have enough misogynistic home grown males who unfortunately we can't deport. Why on earth we grant asylum to a sex offender is beyond bonkers.

MinnieCauldwell · 02/02/2024 12:38

Wish we could just take the women and kids....

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