Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 4

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www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/nicola-bulley-day-13-latest-updates-as-search-for-missing-mum-continues-4017066

Lancashire Evening Post has just posted this update.

I think Police are ''Face saving'' by STILL insisting Nicola ''Fell in''.

@mumda - from the previous thread: So are Strava accounts open for the world to see where you go?

Only if you choose them to be. Just like most/all platforms, you can choose between everyone/followers only/private, and you can either let anyone follow you, or only those you approve individually

Was her phone on lock screen while on the Teams call?

Presumably she could just as easily have fallen in this lane as the river.

The caravan park has been searched, they haven’t done door to door or searches of residential properties. As they don’t believe it’s criminal

I think the police do suspect something. I really do not think this Is how it’s being portrayed.

an example being on the Shannon Mathews case they police were certain from very very early it was the mother, but they had to let it play out in public until they got evidence and found her, because it might not have been her mother.

I’m not saying it’s something like that, far from it, but the police do often portray one thing when doing another.

the problem they have is they keep saying she went in the water, and the longer it takes to find her, with all the experts and equipment for the last nearly 2 weeks, it is making people think it’s highly unlikely. They will be saying not criminal so people aren’t worried there is someone violent on the loose and others at risk.

hopefullh she is found soon. Ideally alive and she walks back in of her own violition. If not then she is found tangled in some undergrowth and the family can have their answers and grieve accordingly .

So you are late for an appointment, you grab a dog tie it up, recognise the face on a phone still in use, see a harness and you don’t alert anyone?
Stranger still, assuming you thought Nicola was nearby - having made that deduction you then decide to call your DIL about it 45 minutes later, why?
If the witness was so sure Nicola was okay why on earth did she ring anyone??

Having taken the call from her MIL the DIL calls the school. That is stranger still. Nothing adds up.

How on earth can you say it's clear she isn't in the water? It could weeks if not months for her body to be spotted it's a long river which leads out to the sea.

What would it take to make this a criminal investigation? And what would be different if it was a criminal investigation in terms of what they actually do.

I'm just wondering whether the police might get pissed off with it being assumed they're incompetent and say 'fine, let's make it a criminal investigation'. I know that is unlikely.

Is not finding a body enough 'evidence'?

It would be if left for a couple of mins, yes. Mine does that.

This is wrong - there are privacy controls

Sarah Everard was not logging her walk home, so her Strava wasn't part off the enquiry. But the press went in and used photos from it. She appeared not to have used the privacy controls

If you do use them, all that will be seen is your name (and you can use any nickname you like), anything you put in your description (optional) and whayever you use as your profile pic (optional)

And as you say, there is also the feature that blocks your start/end point for a radius of up to 1 mile from your home - from everyone, including your followers

Why is the chance of her disappearing through choice zero? The chance of her disappearing through choice is far from zero. Particularly when you take into account there were potentially significant financial issues and a recent go fund me for a hundred grand.

personally I think the least likely scenario is something like stranger abduction and murder. She could well be washed up some where and snagged in undergrowth. Or she could have done this through choice.

The reason it’s bothering me is that whilst everyone and the police are focused on the river and assuming she has drowned, she could have actually been abducted and not be too far away.

The dropped phone still in use, having just texted a friend to confirm their plans indicates she was disturbed by someone or something. Or it was made to look that way.

Is Heather Gibbons the one that set up the go fund me?

No, Emma White

Particularly when you take into account there were potentially significant financial issues

You've made that up.

Thanks for clarifying that.

No I didn’t, the issues with her partners job and company are well publicised.

Correct. I live on the opposite side of Morecambe Bay and, tragically, people often wash up on our beaches who fell in the water in Lancashire. Sometimes months or years later. One of the victims of the Hest Bank cockle picker disaster washed up many years after the 2004 incident and the same happened with the 2006 Centrica helicopter crash. The Morecambe Bay tides are incredibly strong and we are used to the tragedy of missing people eventually being pushed up onto our shores.

"They haven't searched Rowan Water?? That's literally closer to where she was last seen than the bench is!!"

Yes but for the dog to be where it was they're working on the hypothesis that she'd have had to return to the other side of the kissing gate by the bench (as she usually did). She wouldn't normally access the area around the lake at Rowanwater. It is private residential.

The caravan park and area directly behind where her belongings were found is a different kettle of fish.

I’m starting to really like PF. He talks logically and calmly. I wonder if the family are using him as a sort of unofficial spokesperson, he is working for them and he’s mentioned that he briefs her partner regularly. Since he has been on the scene there have been far less interviews and statements from family and friends. That Vine interview is interesting, where he mentions there are various tracks as well as the main path. Of course there are in any woodland/country area.

We have lost people we know due to financial issues. There have been cases of life assurance payouts after a person goes missing on cruises etc.
The two little children in this situation make this much less likely (not impossible, but less likely), it also sounds like they were getting plenty of support from friends, and were getting help - so that doesn’t really add up.

Are there any issues other than his limited company being late filing its accounts? That doesn't even hint at 'significant financial issues'.

Also I’d hazard a guess that he has more experience of this type of case than the police do .

Having taken the call from her MIL the DIL calls the school. That is stranger still. Nothing adds up.

What is strange about that? They probably didn’t immediately assume something awful had happened but thought it would be a good idea to check on her. The school would have her contact details and be able to try and make contact with her, before trying her partner if she couldn’t be reached.