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ofwarren · 2023-02-07T14:06:46+00:00

I couldn't see another post so thought I'd create one. There is a police press conference this afternoon. I can't see a time for this but it's sounding like a routine one.

Renoir56 · 08/02/2023 10:14

Beaglesonlyplease · 08/02/2023 10:07

I’m probably going to be slated for this but it is very unusual for the woman who found the phone and dog to tie the dog up, leave the phone and later call her DIL.
I’m not sure how the DIL would recognise the dog with certainty (unless Willow is the only dog in the village of that type).
Why then the DIL rang the school is another odd thing unless she didn’t actually know it was Nicola’s dog.. but then why ring the school and not the vet..
And then the school in turn rings the boyfriend..
This is what is odd, though of course I have no way to know any of this did not happen:
Did the school not think to ring Nicola herself?
Why ring her boyfriend first?
Most people who find a dog running loose would check it’s collar to see if there are details on the collar eg phone number or address.
Most dog owners will put a phone number on the collar for that reason.
Absent any phone number or details on the collar most people would then call the vet to see if the dog can be traced to an owner- and that can be done while walking to your appointment.
I know that’s what I would do at any rate.
I wonder if any of the account given in the media as above has been checked.
If there was foul play - it doesn’t have to be a man who does it..

I'm not going to state you but hindsight is a wonderful thing. The woman who found the phone wasn't to know the eventual outcome and we all behave in different ways. It makes sense to me that her daughter rang the school as it would have been easy to find the number. They may have rung her partner because they were told her mobile phone had been found so knew she didn't have it. Who knows?

Blessedwithsunshine · 08/02/2023 10:15

Beaglesonlyplease · 08/02/2023 10:07

I’m probably going to be slated for this but it is very unusual for the woman who found the phone and dog to tie the dog up, leave the phone and later call her DIL.
I’m not sure how the DIL would recognise the dog with certainty (unless Willow is the only dog in the village of that type).
Why then the DIL rang the school is another odd thing unless she didn’t actually know it was Nicola’s dog.. but then why ring the school and not the vet..
And then the school in turn rings the boyfriend..
This is what is odd, though of course I have no way to know any of this did not happen:
Did the school not think to ring Nicola herself?
Why ring her boyfriend first?
Most people who find a dog running loose would check it’s collar to see if there are details on the collar eg phone number or address.
Most dog owners will put a phone number on the collar for that reason.
Absent any phone number or details on the collar most people would then call the vet to see if the dog can be traced to an owner- and that can be done while walking to your appointment.
I know that’s what I would do at any rate.
I wonder if any of the account given in the media as above has been checked.
If there was foul play - it doesn’t have to be a man who does it..

Yes I agree. So many things really don’t add up. I don’t know anyone that would have gone to the trouble to catch a lone dog but then to tied it up and walk away and not even have the decency to try and locate/call the owner? Or ring for advice from local vets etc at the very least. Not tie it up and leave the dog in the cold and call someone else hours later.
It is really odd.
The phone on the ground is a major red flag if it’s still in use. Anyone would come to that conclusion.

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 10:16

Blessedwithsunshine · 08/02/2023 10:15

Yes I agree. So many things really don’t add up. I don’t know anyone that would have gone to the trouble to catch a lone dog but then to tied it up and walk away and not even have the decency to try and locate/call the owner? Or ring for advice from local vets etc at the very least. Not tie it up and leave the dog in the cold and call someone else hours later.
It is really odd.
The phone on the ground is a major red flag if it’s still in use. Anyone would come to that conclusion.

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Agreed that it's strange.
Even if I had an appointment, like they say she had, I would never just leave a distressed dog there tyed up.

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Plitvice · 08/02/2023 10:18

I read that the dog was in fight-or-flight mode so it must have been quite difficult for a stranger to tie him up.

kirinm · 08/02/2023 10:19

I don't think leaving the phone is that unusual. Our local Facebook page has so many posts about various items having been found - although to be fair, things like bank cards or phones tend to get handed into the police if not claimed pretty quickly.

We also get a lot of posts about dogs being spotted off leads / without their owner. In those circumstances the dogs usually end up at a local vet. I can understand leaving a phone somewhere but I do agree that tying a dog up is a bit odd.

notimagain · 08/02/2023 10:19

Bluebellwood129 · 08/02/2023 09:10

His team have apparently been involved in quite a few high profile cases though. Could it not just be pure coincidence that Nicola's disappearance and the book launch happened to occur at around the same time?

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I know his team have been involved in other cases and there's some coincidence involved here....

Nevertheless the book might be a factor some of the arm chair sleuths might need to consider when considering some comments and particularly some of the criticism being thrown around before his team got involved in the search.

kirinm · 08/02/2023 10:20

AmillionReasons · 08/02/2023 10:12

I noticed in the conference update yesterday when the police officer was taking questions a reporter asked about an exit camera. She awkwardly said she didn't want to talk about it. It makes me think that there is things going on behind the scenes that need to stay that way relating to another theory, and not possible jeopardise the whole investigation by becoming public knowledge.

What do they mean by 'exit camera'?

Activelyannoyed · 08/02/2023 10:20

Cmon now. Let’s not attack the woman who found the dog and had no idea . She found the dog, saw its harness and lead and the phone, right there, secured the dog and got about her business as she was in a rush. The dog wasn’t distressed, it was agitated.

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 10:21

Plitvice · 08/02/2023 10:18

I read that the dog was in fight-or-flight mode so it must have been quite difficult for a stranger to tie him up.

Good point
I know it's hard to say what you would do but I think my personal instinct would have been to stay with the dog. I'm a big animal lover though.
Is it the caravan park owner who found willow? I'm sure I remember reading she'd been having issues with dogs and her chickens.

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Blessedwithsunshine · 08/02/2023 10:22

I agree it’s not unusual for people to lose harness, dogs and phones. It’s the presence of all three and the phone in use that stands out.

dawngreen · 08/02/2023 10:22

If you find one item maybe put it on the bench. But the fact the phone was still connected to the works team, and maybe she missed that. But to find the dogs lead and harness too with no one in sight I would be reporting it or looking for the owner in case they had medical problem. I would not put the dogs harness on and leave it tied up.

AuntieStella · 08/02/2023 10:22

puppacup · 08/02/2023 07:41

But people on this thread have been on this woman's Facebook and Strava profiles looking at her personal photos and her run routes That's going a step too far and f**ing weird.

I've only just read the end of the thread, that's insane!!!

The press appear to have been in - because the screen shot of a Strava route linked earlier to the thread was from The Sun.

I read on another site that her Strava account has since disappeared. Which suggested that the company either deleted of its own voliton (unlikely, as they left Sarah Everard's account open) or the police have been in touch. Possibly to ascertain if she was tracking her walk that morning and if so, whether any data about it could be retrieved.

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 10:22

kirinm · 08/02/2023 10:20

What do they mean by 'exit camera'?

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I think they mean cctv to show where she went onto the river and where she would have exited, which is the same way. The 'river road' they are calling it now, where they are asking for dashcam footage.

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Activelyannoyed · 08/02/2023 10:23

kirinm · 08/02/2023 10:19

I don't think leaving the phone is that unusual. Our local Facebook page has so many posts about various items having been found - although to be fair, things like bank cards or phones tend to get handed into the police if not claimed pretty quickly.

We also get a lot of posts about dogs being spotted off leads / without their owner. In those circumstances the dogs usually end up at a local vet. I can understand leaving a phone somewhere but I do agree that tying a dog up is a bit odd.

See I don’t think it is, not when it’s lead and harness are right there and rhe phone. The owner could have been taking a shit someplace.

either way the woman isn’t to blame and doesn’t deserve any hate.

Togoodtobeforgotten · 08/02/2023 10:24

kirinm · 08/02/2023 10:20

What do they mean by 'exit camera'?

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At the caravan park, I'm not quite sure the police ladies words were what the poster said, it might be helpful if someone can post the link, she was slightly thrown off but I can't quite remember the wording. But at the same point perhaps it's being read into to much.

TroysMammy · 08/02/2023 10:24

I don't watch much tv and none at the moment as my DP has covid but has there been a televised family and police appeal where they sit at a table yet?

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 10:24

TroysMammy · 08/02/2023 10:24

I don't watch much tv and none at the moment as my DP has covid but has there been a televised family and police appeal where they sit at a table yet?

Yes, with her parents and sister

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Blessedwithsunshine · 08/02/2023 10:25

Activelyannoyed · 08/02/2023 10:20

Cmon now. Let’s not attack the woman who found the dog and had no idea . She found the dog, saw its harness and lead and the phone, right there, secured the dog and got about her business as she was in a rush. The dog wasn’t distressed, it was agitated.

It’s incredibly unusual to do what she did, to go to the trouble of tying up the dog and placing the phone carefully on the bench. Noting it was in use, the harness being there and the condition of the dog - ‘bone dry and distressed’… and then decide to just walk away.

kirinm · 08/02/2023 10:25

@Activelyannoyed I don't blame anyone at all. I'm just saying that I don't think tying up a dog is usual - or certainly isn't where I am.

notimagain · 08/02/2023 10:26

kirinm · 08/02/2023 10:12

I'd read a retired / ex police commissioner has concerns that this smaller and potentially not very experienced force ought to have called in the Met or other force. What does he have to gain from saying something like that?

Might be well meaning, OTOH then again as a retired senior officer news agencies might well have his number on speed dial and if asked for an opinion he's hardly going to say "can't say" or " I don't have an opinion".

I think I mentioned yesterday that having seen how this works elsewhere I'm deeply cynical when it comes to the antics of many, though I emphasise not all, "former this" or "former thats".

dawngreen · 08/02/2023 10:26

You don't leave your phone and dog harness on the floor to go have a dump. You don't want them stealing.

mumda · 08/02/2023 10:26

So are Strava accounts open for the world to see where you go?

7eleven · 08/02/2023 10:27

ofwarren · 08/02/2023 10:21

Good point
I know it's hard to say what you would do but I think my personal instinct would have been to stay with the dog. I'm a big animal lover though.
Is it the caravan park owner who found willow? I'm sure I remember reading she'd been having issues with dogs and her chickens.

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Would you have stayed if you had a job interview? Hospital appointment you’d been waiting for? Taking your mum to the dentist? Appointment at your child’s school about their special needs?

It’s impossible to know why the woman left the dog, nor what you’d have done. To imply the woman did something wrong is completely unreasonable.

dawngreen · 08/02/2023 10:27

And I would never allow strangers to see my daily routes either

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ofwarren · 08/02/2023 10:28

I've created a new post on the news board now this one is full.

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