Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 3

[ofwarren]

I couldn't see another post so thought I'd create one.

There is a police press conference this afternoon. I can't see a time for this but it's sounding like a routine one.

I'm a robust solo (dog) walker. I walk many miles every week through the countryside. I must admit this week, for the first time ever, I'm feeling vulnerable.
There are just so many stories circulating at the moment of missing women or violence.
I have no idea what my large golden retriever would do in a crisis. Probably not much, bless him

Why do ppl keep insisting that the river is slow? the top currents might be but the under currents can be fast. And she had already taken the dogs harness off at the start of her walk through the fields. The gate I saw a women let her spaniel climb under the wood part of the fence at the right side. The dog was running back and forth on the path between the gate and bench. The phone was on the bench, and the harness on the floor or bench. I think she sat down to listen to the works team call, and for some reason put the phone down, and stood up. I thought she would know to keep away from the area that she could fall in. Maybe she thought her dog had a issue, or some one approached I just don't know either.

Can you point to the posts that indicate a ‘TV’ drama response? I can’t seem to see one.

I think they want the speculation that accuses friends, family, witnesses to stop, some awful things are being said, particularly on Twitter.

I think they also want the abuse to stop against the searchers and witnesses, Utter fools taking about how they should behave. What they should be doing. What they should be saying. Accusing them of stuff.

it’s the malicious and derogatory stuff they want to stop. And quite rightly in my opinion.

Your post simplifying the options was a good one @autienotnaughty

@Blessedwithsunshine the one I posted that had some company details. The OP @ofwarren also said she reported similar.

I completely agree.

At first it seemed highly likely that she ended up in the river. That was the obvious scenario. But the phone and particularly the dog harness are puzzling. Almost staged as you say. Why would you remove the harness? It’s lead, yes, but the harness?

There is something amiss here. Even the underwater search chap, there’s something feels awry. I don’t mean he’s suspicious and I know he’s trying to help, but there’s something about him and the things he’s saying that make me feel uncomfortable and I can’t put my finger on why.

"I think you've confused me with someone else?

The drama I'm talking about is not about being scared for personal safety, it's the torments of treating it as tv doc.

Women should always be concerned re personal safety. That was true before Sarah."

Apologies, I've misunderstood and yes, you're right. I thought the "drama" comment was you saying women were being dramatic and it was a different poster saying women don't need to be concerned when clearly they do.

Can posters really not see the difference between "this is tragic? how could this happen" & speculating on perpetrators & motives?

I think that older posters are probably the ones finding discussion most distasteful as technology has not been integrated into their lives (and children's lives in the same way).
The fact is that both the footage from the victims own devices and information sharing online in public forums has been instrumental to building up a picture of most victims like never before. Remember the Shan'ann Watts case?

There really isn't anything offensive about sticking to the basic facts and extending them. Obviously, the silly comments about spy planes and UFO kidnap do count as idle speculation but simply trying to work out routes and piece facts together is fine IMHO.

To me the phone left there, and harness looks set up. Almost like it was left there to be found.

The harness- one of her friends (or family) said (many days ago) she always took the harness off the dog when she arrived at the fields.

twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1623243182375948289?t=EQ9m6F_YQzVKA1XAQwSPCA&s=19

Peter Faulding on Talk TV this morning

Thermal camera didn't find our friend and his body surfaced less than 100 yards away 4 weeks later. His family were told they are less useful at this time of year as the very cold water cools the body more quickly (he drowned late January). Though this was a few years ago so technology may have improved.
Sonar may not pick up the body if its caught in tree roots etc.
Visibility will be a matter of inches so a diver search would be by feel.
There are good reasons why Nicola's body hasn't been found even if it's in the river.

And she would sit down do the work call then call her dog to put the harness on to walk out to the road area to leave. Why put a wet harness and lead in your pocket?

I think that older posters are probably the ones finding discussion most distasteful as technology has not been integrated into their lives (and children's lives in the same way)

Don't patronise older posters. How old is old in your opinion?

@Guiltycat I felt exactly the same as you when a close friend of mine went missing. We were trapped in the hell of running through the different scenarios over and over trying to find answers for weeks. People talking about the case felt like someone still cared and there was still some hope or that something we hadn't thought of might yet come to light. Despite all of the speculation (they had left a young child), there was some comfort.

How patronising. You think older people don't understand technology? That's really insulting.

I said earlier visibility is non existent , and they would have to feel their way around while trying to cut back reefs so the sonar might be able to scan there. My partners dive club got asked for help some times to search areas.

Sorry, I was generalizing a bit but if you are not comfortable with the whole new gen joined up tech/surveillance culture then you are going to identify boundaries between publicly available information that should or should not be disseminated on forums like MN. Those boundaries may not exist for another poster.

It’s the expert who says the river is slow and that if she fell and drowned her body wouldn’t have moved far from there.

Also, her phone was not on the bench, it was found on the ground. The person who apparently came along next put it on the bench.

Do share your wisdom on that good reason that the police and experts searching can learn from you.

I think it’s wonderful you know those good reasons , as they don’t, so crack on and give them the benefit . Twitter seems the place most experts like you are going to give the police and the searchers the benefit of their expertise

Very interesting from Peter. He's adamant that she didn't go into the river near the bench or the field

I think the police need to suck it up to be honest.

The criticism I mean.

Women have more reason to mistrust the police than they ever have before. If any of the incompetence is true then the criticism is valid.

Hell, there’s probably more than one woman wondering if another police officer is involved. Given the latest revelations about some (male) police culture, I doubt many would once be as shocked as they would have been before.

I don’t think they’ll find anything in the river now, I’ll be shocked, seems like something has happened but they are reluctant to see any other options or for all we know they just aren’t saying anything to the public. Very odd case indeed

I think it’s right to keep it under discussion in an appropriate way. I am very local to St Michael’s and it does feel unsafe to go walking when the police are unable to draw and solid conclusions. So I understand other women’s concerns, people wanting to discuss this, what has happened as there is an absence of info, a vacuum as a PP said.

I also have a missing brother and raising the public profile, through social media and the MSM is the only route now that the police have moved on; and it’s the same for many in my situation, so it is a welcome one and I am grateful for the attention it gives and accept the negative with the positive