Archie Battersebee case-thread 2

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ongoing from previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4573803-archie-battersbee-case?page=40

Poor boy. I didn’t realise how troubled he had been. A suicide attempt makes more sense than an online challenge, but I can understand his parents refusing to accept that narrative.

Poor child. Photos posted on social media in a nappy, limbs wasting away.
Parents need to let him pass away peacefully and these Christian armies whatever they call themselves need to stop giving false hope to people.
As sure as night follows day, as soon as this is over, they'll be off like a shot waiting for the next vulnerable family to exploit

Forgive my ignorance, but what's AA?

This is a truly tragic case but the parents need to let him go.

One of the reasons why this has dragged out for so long is because his parents refused to allow testing to confirm brain stem death. That is why they have to say that doctors believe him to be brain stem dead.

Now they know he is because the brain has deteriorated to the point that it is known to no longer be functioning.

The court hearing should have happened at the point the parents refused the testing, and the point he was declared brain stem dead through official channels the life support should have been removed.

I sympathise with any parent who has to make this kind of decision. But at this point it has ceased being about Archie and has become about them. They’re not doing this for Archie, they’re doing it for themselves, because they can’t bear to let him go. But he’s already gone. Seeing him on a ventilator doesn’t change that fact.

What also troubles me is that Archie is a ward of court, so I'm failing to understand how the parents are still the ones "in control" of this farce to be honest.

There needs to be a public inquiry into cases like this and what it ends up costing the taxpayer.

AA= Archies Army
Previously Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard were in the news with similar "Armies" who were very focused on keeping the media attention on them.
Probably a lot of them thought they were 'doing it for the parents ', to make sure they weren't "railroaded" into accepting what they were told by the hospital and the courts
The "Archies Army" seem to be telling Hollie that Archie will be up doing backflips soon, just hang on and fight

Archie's Army (previously Spread the Purple Wave) - a private Facebook group (originally public but locked down now to only existing members).

A ghoulish group of likeminded people who advocate things like feeding him Nutella, who photoshop photos of him with motivational quotes and who have wound his family up to thinking he is going to wake up tomorrow and start doing backflips.

There's also a large number of silent members, many of who are against what the family are doing and saying.

Anyone who speaks up against the current carry on, gets swiftly banned, abused by messenger, and members get told not to read the court documents, just to listen to what the mother says.

i wonder if these other prominent court cases/facebook armies and such have encouraged this
they are mostly detrimental although perhaps H feels she is fighting a battle and this is how

I dont know who are worse, the grief striken mother who is still an absolute weapon, or the army - these crazy women changing their phone backgrounds of a picture of a boy theyve never met, or getting tattoos.

The appeal will be denied and she will press on. She will never, ever relent. Its clear from her history, this isnt a woman who is told no. I fear this has overtaken her ability to see what is right for her child, and in that sense, thank goodness the courts step in.

it is like an episode of Black Mirror, the whole facebook group

The appeal will be denied and she will press on. She will never, ever relent. Its clear from her history, this isnt a woman who is told no. I fear this has overtaken her ability to see what is right for her child, and in that sense, thank goodness the courts step in. do you mean her history as in this case or is there more in her history?

I have to say I haven’t been aware of anything to do with the past of these people until this thread.

These army people. Are they professional army people? I.e. like protesters who are professional protesters who move from one cause to the next? Presumably some of these people have been part of previous causes as well?

Maybe it would be best for the media to not report on these cases so these types not become involved in such a public manner.

It did first come to court when they refused testing, and the court ordered the test in question. However, it sounds as if the full test would only have been viable in the very early stages: the reason it couldn't be done ultimately was essentially that he was too dead, so the initial peripheral nerve test would have ruled it out anyway.

@Butteryflakycrust83

Posters are trying to keep the thread clean without the past being dragged up otherwise the thread will be removed.

Ah ok. This information is freely available on google though. Will report to admin

I understand.
I have read it myself.
The last thread got deleted for certain comments so best to keep it clean. 😀

Poor, poor boy. No one should die like that, and then be treated so disrespectfully by people. I feel for everyone involved. The family, the healthcare staff, his friends, the children not getting beds now, and later because of the trauma and inevitable knock on effects. Even the legal staff.

I have lots of thoughts, but I can’t bring myself to post them. It seems so wrong to translate his personal story into general speculation just now. Something like this should generate discussion over how it’s handled, but the way his privacy has been violated disturbs me deeply, and I don’t want to add to it.

I agree the whole thing is really disturbing on a number of levels.

That poor little boy. He really is being kept “alive” now because of the media.

It’s cruel.

No parent likes the idea of turning life support off for their own child, and it’s easy for me to say it whilst my children are currently playing, but I couldn’t put my kids through this.

As soon as the doctors tell me that my child is brain dead and there is no coming back, I would accept that and let them go. Early enough for them to also make a difference to other peoples lives with organ donation

100% this !!

Is there any update on when the judgment will be? There doesn’t appear to be a live stream but it was due at 11:30am

I sympathise with the family, I really do, but I think Hollie has had the media attention divert her attention away from what is best for Archie. As a parent myself, her constant SM posting of photos of Archie in his hospital bed is completely incomprehensible.

What possible purpose could taking a photos of her son in a vegetative state, connected to wires and wearing a nappy serve other than to draw attention to herself. It is certainly doing nothing to support her position that Archie can/will recover.

Whether she has been caught up in the quite frankly unhinged members of the Army remains to be seen, but they are certainly not helping. They latch on to grieving parents to promote their own pro-life agenda, and it looks like both Hollie and therefore Archie are their latest victims.

I'm so very sorry. That must have been incredibly hard but sounds like you did your son proud at the end by putting his needs first.

If the judge had anything about them they would ban the sharing of pictures on any public platform. That at the very least should be something that can be done.

We’re talking about a child’s best interests here, fgs schools can be prevented from publishing pictures of children who are in the care of SS. This should be the same and the pictures need to stop.