Alfie Evans 6

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Following on from the last thread. If there's one already please do delete this one.

Remember not to speculate or make negative comments about the family or discussions will be stopped.

Thoughts are with Alfie tonight

Such an important and sensitive topic.

I hope they are able to have some peaceful time with Alfie. They have asked for privacy now, I hope the army give it to them and I think these threads should too tbh.

Finally, now TE has spoken I'm seeing more of these on FB and is more balanced. Not sure who this person is but he's right imo

www.facebook.com/samanthajayne9124/posts/10215515512631211

I am wondering if, once this thread is full, we should not start a new one. Perhaps it is time to leave it and allow the family peace with no one commenting on or discussing them any further.

Wornoutbear the Polish Post is crazy. Maybe they are confusing our government with King Herod.

"There’s an awful lot of thinly disguised snobbery on this thread
It’s not disguised at all.

I hope & pray that TE and KJ have some peace in the days ahead."

@SauvignonBlanche

I absolutely agree with you. Without going anywhere near the detail, I do think there has been some really unusually bad behaviour from those orbiting around little Alfie. I don't think debate around any of this should be cordoned off, but there''s no doubt that as soon as someone is snobbish towards another person they are immediately signalling disrespect and a lack of compassion. It's a bit like saying "play the ball, not the player" - I don't think there is anything inherently wrong in pointing out a person's actions, but there is a problem in pointing out a person's social/economic background.

I know what I mean in my mind. I'm not very good at putting it into words!

That post started excellently mrsdevere but got ridiculous by the end. The large difference between these threads and AA is that these threads haven't whipped people up to go and start a mob outside a children's hospital. This is such a very, very significant difference that any claim the two are similar is nonsensical.

This is not to say there hasn't been nastiness on these threads too, not all of it in response to people deliberately trying to provoke it in order to have the threads deleted. The 'snide' post earlier was an example of that, and completely inexcusable.

Numpty - I posted a link to his twitter page a couple of days ago, it definitely does explain more simply and also about the brain.

Jaseyreax
I am in awe of you and every one of your posts, you are so dignified. I can't imagine going through your loss and pain at 19.
and to you.
I feel like sending a hug too.
Once again can I say thank to the many posters who have shared, in such dignified and humbling ways their own stories of loss and pain.
I thought I was alone, I now know that was stupid, but in a time when actions you all took have been to publicly questioned and some called murdering scum, I hope you too have found some peace in knowing their others who have in a small way felt the same pain and grief. I know it will be a extremely small comfort, but I hope you too found comfort and love in these threads.
Too any one lurking or facing a similar situation, please remember you are in our thoughts too, go with your instincts, and know you make your choice from a place of deep love, not hate, and it's their best interests that count not ours.
For Alfie's parents can I pass this statement given to me by the last nurse to care for Phil, before they took him to donate
It always the good ones who go before their time is due, because he/she who plans these things wants them back they are that good.

Alfie is clearly loved and wanted.

It's frustrating that the Army won't leave this alone now. "these aren't their words how can they do this when they won't let them take him home" etc. Just let them be.

This is such a very, very significant difference that any claim the two are similar is nonsensical

I don't agree.
They have one very significant thing in common.
They are both a bunch of people who have no part in this tragedy commenting as if they do.
Both groups will be getting up tomorrow as if nothing has happened because nothing has happened - to them.

These threads are not whipping up hysteria but they are chatting and speculating.
There is a lot of rubbish said on both. Just because people spell better on here doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.

"All parents should be allowed an independent advocate to defend their case with the right legal and medical expertise and financial equality of arms.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/6152864/alfie-evans-supporters-urge-mps-to-introduce-alfies-law-that-gives-parents-right-to-choose-hospital-care/

Hello. Have been reading these threads for a couple of days now. Thanks so much to everyone who has been informative and shared their stories. I've found the threads really helpful.

I'm struggling with Facebook at the moment as have a few friends sharing Alfie's Army memes and posts. One has just shared this, and I don't even know where to start with how damaging it is

Wishing the whole family peace now and strength over the coming days. I hope some lessons are learned from this (for starters, I hope there is some scrutiny of the deeply sinister role of groups like the Christian Legal Centre and their reckless provision of false advice, and the legal aid question needs sorting) but right now the important person is Alfie: I hope he is comfortable and surrounded by love.

@TheFirstMrsDV sadly sine humans learned to socialise, and talk coherently, current events will be a source of discussion. There is nothing inherently wrong with discussion provided it is respectful and measured.

Very well said CuntinuousMingeprovement

That isn't what my post is about ginger

MrsDV the difference is this discussion isn’t being had with the intent of being read by the family or inflaming the situation. It’s an objective discussion. Agree with ginger

There is now speculation that TE has had a gagging order imposed
on him and is now going to make further announcements through a family member. Also he doesn’t want people doing live feeds from AH to leave.

theshape fgs.
If she is a nurse I am a dolphin
Trachy venting that boy would mean he could take food orally?

The amount of people on the army page that are saying they need updates or they will so upset if they don’t get updates says it all really

Alfie’s parents have clearly done what they’ve done through love - there’s absolutely no doubt that little boy is loved and wanted. I’ve been a parent that hasn’t been listened to by the drs - it’s so traumatic. This is such a sad situation all round. Everyone is doing their best - drs and family.

MrsDV it is inevitable that people will talk about this situation. TE brought it out into the public arena.

Posters are free to contradict misinformation or put forward differing view points. I don't see that this means that those of us engaged in the thread are acting as if we are part of the situation.

You not agreeing just means you are wrong then mrsdevere*- a shame as you've been right in some of your other points.

That you can identify some things that bear resemblance to each other doesn't alter the most important point which is that AA is involved in stirring up a mob doing unspeakable things, and these threads are not. This makes them fundamentally different to each other.

I've never heard anybody claim he's truly brain dead, but he's definitely not got much brain left. Vaccine injury? Nobody knows, but the conspiracy theories here are bullshit. Are you seriously, seriously telling me that no doctor or nurse in that entire establishment would loudly protest (even at risk of losing their job - a baby is worth more than a job) if they felt some injustice was being served? IF Charlie's body was to be taken for research? Do these people not know the hospital can't use his body if the parents don't consent to it? (I really don't think they can, but correct me if I'm wrong because it is a very unseen medical case). They're so convinced something sinister is going on that they're willing to jeopardise the family's relationship with the doctors who can provide his end of life care.

american you are missing the point. Telling me the two discussions have differences doesn't mean they don't have similarities.
And they have not remained respectful throughout.
Speculating and judging is not respectful.
Because some posters haven't doesn't negate those that do.

It could be argued that any public discussion is disrespectful. If not of the parents, who many think have forfeited their rights to privacy, of the child. The child who everyone keeps talking about, the child who everyone agrees needs privacy and dignity.

Clearly he doesn't need it enough for mners to stop going on about it. Even after they have what they said they wanted.