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Alfie Evans 6

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CamomileTeaShotofVodka · 26/04/2018 01:49

Following on from the last thread. If there's one already please do delete this one.

Remember not to speculate or make negative comments about the family or discussions will be stopped.

Thoughts are with Alfie tonight Star

Such an important and sensitive topic.

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DoryNow · 26/04/2018 07:12
  • Sorry x- posted with others but also want to add, I believe the nutrition & fluids now being given is dokey to appease the parents Sad
dayinlifeof · 26/04/2018 07:13

Thanks.

As for school prayers, I would hope that the prayers are praying for the best resolution for Alfie and leaving what that resolution is up to God. I am an atheist, but if I believed in a god then I'd be leaving what is best for somebody up to the god. I always think it's rather presumptuous to assume that we know better than a god what the best resolution to a situation as; I mean if you have faith then surely that faith means trusting your god to do what is right and necessary?

DoryNow · 26/04/2018 07:13

purely

Ryder63 · 26/04/2018 07:14

I hope the inevitable end comes quietly and peacefully, and AA behave with with dignity, leave AH staff alone, and direct their energy to supporting the parents in a respectful way.

PinkSkyAtNightAngelDelight · 26/04/2018 07:18

On my local fb pages (I’m not in Liverpool) there are people setting up protests and endless posts calling the hospital and staff murderers. As a health professional myself I despair. It honestly worries me that this now will be a trend and it will happen more and more.

myproteinpills · 26/04/2018 07:18

Apparently TE's lawyer is going to be interviewed on R4 this morning, they are making me so angry with their totally biased approach to this sad case. That and BBC1 still referring to 'treatment' how can this be helpful when even world class respected news broadcasters are using such terminology? Beggars belief.

sashh · 26/04/2018 07:19

ohreallyohreallyoh

Glad to hear it, I sometimes forget all RC schools are not the same as the one i attended and not all RC's are as pro life at any costs as my mum was.

myproteinpills · 26/04/2018 07:20

Pink there are so many of us who are forever grateful to all health care professionals, just not going on protests to show it so not so obvious sadly.

KoshaMangsho · 26/04/2018 07:22

Between the resuscitation, the fluids and oxygen the parents are inevitably making Alfie’s death more prolonged and painful. I can understand wanting to prolong life but at the cost of a more painful death? Or is that because they feel that since he can’t feel pain or so we think, this is okay? The pictures they released of him without oxygen show him very cyanosed. And his father admitted he was blue and shaking. I have found the pictures very uncomfortable and now they are everywhere.

KeneftYakimoski · 26/04/2018 07:22

You said you are Christian and at the risk of upsetting you this is typical of some Christians in general and RC in particular,

What's it that Ghandi is supposed to have said? The liked our Christ, but he didn't like our Christians?

The CLC is run by a member of the General Synod of the Church of England, who is re-elected each time by the church-goers of Chichester. So the RC are grandstanding and the CofE's governing body includes the person funding the circus of court cases.

lettuceWrap · 26/04/2018 07:23

I just switched on sky news report, caught the end of a live report from AH, I think they said TE was going to come out and give a statement?

bruffin · 26/04/2018 07:23

Wotcherharry
A young lad at work and his partner recently lost a baby at full term and found the cuddlecot a huge comfort. They raised money for another one for the hospital. Just being able to spend a day with their baby meant so much to them

AsAProfessionalFekko · 26/04/2018 07:24

R4 now

Pittapatter · 26/04/2018 07:24

Hi
I've read these threads and I am so moved by the experiences shared by those who have lost loved ones. Your love and courage shine through.

Apologies in advance for asking this but generally speaking how does EOL care differ from the now discredited LCP?

KoshaMangsho · 26/04/2018 07:24

What is astonishing is that now they want intervention to keep him alive when it has now been shown he actually can’t survive without the machines. So maybe the doctors were right after all? In which case why re-ventilate? None of this makes sense.
Either he’s a healthy boy who can survive without the drugs and ventilation in which case let’s see. Or he’s a poorly boy being kept alive by machines in which case the doctors were right.
You can’t say he is a healthy boy but we want machines to keep him alive till he dies. There is a massive logical fallacy there.

blueskyinmarch · 26/04/2018 07:25

I assume the wee lad is still hanging on.

DoryNow · 26/04/2018 07:26

Pink any & all posts such as these should be reported, the police are monitoring social media for hate crime / threats.

youarenotkiddingme · 26/04/2018 07:26

No one will ever be comfortable with watching anyone, especially a baby - die.

It's a tragic case. It's highlighted a change in tide from the days where people trusted doctors 100% and took their word for things. I for one do not think this is a bad thing. But with the introduction of SM it's become dangerous at the current time. Currently it's centred around this particular case - but I think we'll see an increase in such media campaigns.

Totally agree there needs to be accurate reporting - constantly reporting they are offering 'treatment' is a total red herring and using emotive language to continue whipping up a frenzy. Italy are indeed offering to prolong his life - but that's the sole level from what I've read.

myproteinpills · 26/04/2018 07:26

Oh why is this lawyer getting so much air time!

myproteinpills · 26/04/2018 07:27

He's so slick and convincing isn't he? Makes me mad

whiteradiator · 26/04/2018 07:27

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AsAProfessionalFekko · 26/04/2018 07:27

He went very easy on him. Said the dad might be on later?

DoryNow · 26/04/2018 07:29

Kosha problem is with AH having to stick to confidentiality rules none of us know what's really going on, as anything the family say is,understandably, through a desperate, grief stricken & sleep deprived fog.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 26/04/2018 07:29

I don't understand the broadcasters (well the ones supposedly better than the Mirror or the Express) getting involved with this. This is EOL care - it happens all the time with adults and children alike up and down the country. Alfie's parents and AA dont seem to understand what that means and what is happening here, which is why they keep appealing. This kind of coverage really does show that the broadcasters are in it for the ratings, nothing else.

You see EOL all the time with cancer for example: people are told there is nothing more can be done for them, then they may either stay in the hospital or move to a hospice - their families will know that they will die soon: it may take a few hours, it may take a few days, even weeks. But they don't try and resuscitate them every time they start slipping away. What is the purpose of that? Who is it for? Are the parents expecting to spend the rest of their lives this way, resuscitating their struggling son, every time?

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