So do Black lives actually matter then?

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Surprised to see no conversation on one of the biggest issues in the news at present.

The one thread I have seen referencing this took the angle of the police officers dead. I did give it a quick browse, but as usual the thread was derailed and focused on proving that UK news channels poorly covered the most recent deaths and that seemed to be it!

I haven't come across any real discussion on the actual incidents and more importantly the obvious trend of police brutality on black lives.

Why?

There are protests all over the world right now, and there have been three in London over the weekend alone.

In a civilized society, uproar should not just come from a select minority, but rather from everyone!

Where is the mainstream voice? Where is the outrage? Where are the allies? Where are you?

Do Black lives not matter then?

Someone clearly needs to point out to - President Obama, Colin Powell, Cony Rice, the innumerable black Senators, Councillors, Congressmen/ Women, Judges, Mayors, CEO's, Police chiefs, Senators, the ever growing black middle class. And leaving aside those Black American's who have excelled in the Arts, Sports and Entertainment fields, as well as the growing black middle class, that they are all supine victims of the most racist country in the world ? Do that. please, whoever made that imbecilic remark and I'm sure they'll be grateful for it. I would assume that if you were to ask them about whether they were victims of racism, almost all if not all will have a story to tell including examples of when and how. Black people have come very along way and every now and then you have an anomaly of black people who exceed and break barriers. They have strived against all odds. Their broken barriers open doors for many other black people to excel in places that they have been denied access before because it challenges stereotypes changing people's perceptions. Barack Obama was given a stage, his personality, goal, elegance and stage presence shone through. He was then not perceived a thug but almost an equal.

I have stated my reasons why blacks do very well in sports and entertainment and the decision why they actually get less encodement deals compared to their white counter parts. To add more to this, the white majority will not buy products supported by black faces. The more high-end the product, less dark faces you will notice and it not just blacks. That is not by accident. Wouldn't you say its racial bias by product buyers? The producers always claim that the race of the person always has influence on how their sales go. Brandnewandimrpved this also answers your point about why blacks do not support black own business and products. It because buying white own products is aspirational to the black community. If you want to be better than the fellow black man and woman, you look for something that you have been taught is better than yours. (The "fresh" look is phenomenon that started because young black men wanted to look richer than their counterpart. Showing what you have is assumed to be an indication of what sort of money you have with the possibility of having a job. Reason being, if you can afford such and such, you have money. It's a mentality that has built up over the years. They won't born loving such things, it's a learnt characteristic. This also manifests it self in the rap music videos and music. You can defiantly, see the correlation between rappers and sports stars. The sports and it's clothing having a huge influence on the type of clothing they wear. You don't have to look very far to know that they would have been their biggest and main main role model. Buying Jordan's is aspirational, Michael Jordan sneakers is a big deal in the black community. He achieved what many black men strive for. Sneakers or trainers in general is aspirational).

Sometimes, black people have no choice but to buy black own products because no one else is making them and this is why you have the first ever woman to make a million in history being madam c.j walker as an entrepreneur. (Producing black hair products). The same can be said for Oprah for being the first female to make a billion. Their generation gap shows how racism has evolved . Oprah's customers and clients include whites and other races while the same cannot be said for madam walker. Am not saying that racism exist the same way it did 50-70 years ago. Of us it has changed, you have less racist but you cannot deny the remaining racist and their influence if not challenged would not lead to bigger issues in the future. In addition to this, you have people who are not racist and will never considered themselves racist but will refuse to acknowledge the simple privileges they hold and that society they live in is designed to benefit them the same way we would discuss men and the patriarchal system bias.

The number of black people in the positions you have mentioned are a recent phenomenon. Most people who voted for Barack Obama where young white people and majority ethnic minorities.

Tbct

1) That 90% of murdered blacks die at the hands of other blacks.
2). That Blacks are 27% more likely to attack whites than vice versa and 8 times more likely to attack Hispanics
3). That 90% of murdered blacks die at the hands of other blacks.
Maybe you should have added this too.

Homicides in the US by victim and perpetrator, 2014
Blacks killed by whites 7.6%
Whites killed by whites 82.4%
Whites killed by blacks 14.8%
Blacks killed by blacks. 90%

www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime

Yes it is true that more blacks die at hands of fellow blacks, so does white people against white. If i didn't know what percentage of black crimes in general, I would assume that blacks commit more crimes than anyone else. Which is not the case. so what is the point of your argument?
Most people kill who they are most in contact with that is why the statistics make sense.
What is always made clear is that black on black crime is more of a problem and black people should Ignore everything else and focus on black on black murders. We should stop blaming racism for how black people are held back because black on black crimes is a bigger issue. We should stop pulling the race card because when we look closer to home, guess what, they pull out the black on black crimes, Why?
Every aspects of our lives that affects progression should be dealt with. Lots of organisation have been formed and work in areas that are affected to try and prevent young boys from joining gangs. They are shown that opportunities exist beyond the areas they live in. That they can make their communities better. If one out of ten makes a different choice it's worth it. What we also don't want is for them to leave their neighbourhood to find that the outside world is worse. To find that the possibility for dream they were promised was a lie, no one actually wants to give him or her a job and they are stuck in a position without promotion because they don't share anything in common outside of the work place with other work mates.

By the way, the murder starts is 2:1 in ratios some years three in regards to police shootings. While more whites shoot the police more.

In relation to how many black lives are lost against others lives, the difference you would find is in how and why. I also, I know that most murders that are gun related has connection to the drug business. The drug business itself is a from of business that offer jobs to those who are willing to take part.

I loved this was part of an excellent article written sarcastically to demonstrate how black people are portrayed when talking about crimes in general.
truth is white on white crime does exist. It is a growing pandemic in the white community, and if we don’t call attention to this problem soon, there will be no more white people left to run the world.
Most of the conversation surrounding crime involves black people, who selfishly take all of the credit for being criminals. Blacks are notorious for being called thugs and gangsters, but the real MVPs (Most Violent People) are whites. Everyday in cities across the country, people die at the hands of white people. What’s more, they’re killing their own kind. According to the US Department of Justice statistics, 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites. In 2011, there were more cases of whites killing whites than there were of blacks killing blacks. Between 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang-related murders were committed by white people, with a majority of the homicide victims being white as well.
In America, whites commit the majority of crimes. What’s even more troubling is that they are also responsible for a vast majority of violent crimes. In 2013, whites led all other groups in aggravated assault, larceny-theft, arson, weapons-carrying, and vandalism. When it comes to sexual assault, whites take the forcible rape cake. They are also more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, their significant others, and even themselves! They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment. In 2013, an estimated 10,076 people died in the U.S. due to drunk driving crashes. Driving while drunk is almost exclusively a white crime because everyone knows black people prefer to drink on their porches or inside their homes.
So why is white on white crime so prevalent, one may ask? Is it the music they listen to? Is it the white divorce rate, resulting in more white children coming from broken homes? Perhaps it’s the TV shows they watch or the violent sports they play. More than likely, it is a combination of all of those things, with the exact root cause unclear. What is clear, though, is that not enough people are talking about the crime plaguing the white community. We need to spread the word, holding protests and demonstrations that call attention to this growing matter. Because, after all—-white lives matter, too.

I have stated my reasons why blacks do very well in sports and entertainment and the decision why they actually get less encodement deals compared to their white counter parts. It's meant to say endorsement. I don't know where encodement came from.

You made my point about black men buying expensive stuff to look like they've got money and why very eloquently quencher thank you. I agree with all you've just posted.

It matters not one tick either that 74% of black children are raised with no father. As for the implementation of welfare policies This made it nigh on impossible for Black men in overwhelming numbers, to not walk away from their parental responsibilities, is that right? BLM and their useful idiots on the Left, would use, as a wider justification, "Slavery" and the Media for the reasons for this. Because if newspaper reports, ie, headlines here, press articles there, go against them (it's claimed) this has the effect of sending the entire black race in America into a tailspin of decades long - moral and social decline. Leftist logic in its purest form on display - right here...

If 70% of all black children in America are growing without fathers, the reasons cannot just be welfare policy implementation and not just because the parents have lost interest, fallen out of love and decided to separate. If it's just that reason you have given, it would mean that most of black women are on welfare, relying on state help and that is not the case. You know it and I know that. They are also not the majority percentage wise on welfare. So am going to take my time and break it down for you.

Among the most educated women in general, black women suffer the most with finding a partner based on a recent study. The reason they gave was that because the number of educated black women out weight the number of Black men. Most people when they look for a partner, they find someone who is on the same social level, academics, and on their level financially or if not then it's usually the man who is the bread winner. Men who are the not the breadwinner usually struggle with the fact that they are not man enough to provide for their families and in most cases lead to family breakdowns or mental illness. This does not just apply to black men but men in general. Those who do not live up to societies standard and characteristics of being macho.

So, why are black men not doing well enough educationally? I have answered this in one of the other post above.

Other issues that I know of is that a good number of black men aspire to marry out side of the race while black women feel they have a duty and need to date within the race. This is believed to be asocial condition and a belief that they have to be seen as upgrading their social status is by marrying people other than black especially white women as trophy. Statics have been done and prove this too. (It's a similar mindset to how people say you shouldn't marry someone poorer than your father Or similar mindset about class and how marry up is upgrading your social status if you weren't born into it. )
The media's standard of beauty plays a part in this too. this is why a mentioned it in the earlier post. They reinforce stereotypes and belief systems that were created during slavery with the assumption that black women are below the beauty standard. They intentionally choose not to use black women for their adds because they say black women stature and face is too manly. Black women not playing lead roles in movies unless it's about slavery in most cases because people will not watch a lead role with black woman especially. The racial bias not only focuses on looks but how people view black women. Black women and men know this, it has been internalised because it manifests itself in other forms within the black community.

This also ties in with the point about black men looking for women other than black because it's aspirational. It's the same reason why when you see black men who have done well in the public eye dating white women get a abuse. It's mostly not out racism but the feeling that they have fallen prey to the mentality that they are upgrading themselves. The most likely thing is they are in love but some people on the black side will not see it the same way. (I would assume that you have heard the phrase "they take all the good brothers from us" as a throw away comment by black American women and British).

The other reason is that black women are believed to be domineering and less controllable. So, any black man who dates a black woman is brave and strong. The first chance they get for leaving the relationship if they can they will when they are financially stable.

All of these are belief systems that have been internally harboured and others are because of external influences.

IIRC the reason single motherhood numbers jumped in the US in the 60s was due to the implementation of welfare policies that penalised mothers who lived with their partners. It has always been difficult for black men to get reliable work, and it was even worse back then, so they couldn't compete with the welfare system. It created a downward spiral of destabilisation of the ethos of family.
Supersoftcuddly you read this statement and still missed the point completely too. The first thing you should have asked yourself was, why was it that black men where failing to find work?

Denying racism, its influence and effects! At least accept its existence and what it does to people and stop telling black people they are playing the race card when in some cases they have grounds to complain.

Black lives do matter. Yes.

I live in an area with a mixture of races. It's very harmonious area with a good standard of living and law abiding people. Because oppression isnt evident in my local environment, I guess the cause is not at the forefront of my mind.

People were 'speaking out' about it in London today, 3 people stabbed. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3698316/Police-officer-stabbed-struck-bottle-spontaneous-Hyde-Park-water-fight-descends-blade-chaos-two-revellers-suffering-knife-wounds.html I don't think stabbing people and violent protest is the way forward. Of course black lives matter but personally I don't speak too much about it because in the past, on several occasions, I've been told I can't, by black people, because it's not my place.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/hey-black-lives-matter-uk-heres-perspective-glastonbury-vs-notting-hill-carnival/

I think its misleading to suggest, as has been done by pps, that Black Lives Matter is an American issue. Police shootings specifically are an American problem. But institutional discrimination against black people in the UK is an ongoing problem. E.g. Black men are more likely to be stopped and searched by police. Why?

Its sad that people.think that just because black people aren't dying at the hands of the police,the Black Lives Matter movement doesn't matter over here. It does, because the movement has grown to be a broader comment on the everyday repression and discrimination faced by black people, much of which goes unseen by the majority white population.

As for getting involved. I live in a major city and a google and Facebook searches don't show up any upcoming Black Lives Matter protests. Is there a better way to find out about planned events?

If I can find one locally, I will.go.

Sometimes I wonder if some people use things like BLM as an excuse for aggressive/criminal behavior. An argument could be made that pretty much everyone is discriminated against. The UK is a pretty fair society and the police aren't running around shooting any group indiscriminately.

Breaking into the airport at London city is not going to help the cause. What the hell has an airport got to do with BLM. Looks like an excuse for criminal behaviour.

"All lives matter" is just the racism version of the "What about the Menz" argument the pervades any internet feminism discussion.

Here's the thing. I'm foreign but I'm insulated from racism by my white skin and the fact I live in multicultural inner London and work in an multiracial environment. You can't tell I'm foreign until I open my mouth. It's amazing how much casual racism I witness. People don't clock me as an "other" because I don't look it. Post Brexit vote this has become scary. In some circumstances I'm afraid to open my mouth and be identified because my accent makes me a target. But at least, because I'm white, I can hide in plain sight. I couldn't do that if I was black.

The Brexit vote has been illuminating and has thrown into sharp focus for me at least the experience of other races in the UK that I was mostly shielded from. As with feminism, what right have we to deny the lived experience of others? Yes most of the worst incidents have been in the USA, with it's ingrained gun culture and over armed, under trained police. However, that's not to say it isn't happening here too and that we who don't experience shouldn't just shut the fuck up and stop telling black people that their experience is invalid?

Anyone who trots out the "All lives matter" quote should really go back and re-read Animal Farm for the second half of the quote i.e. "But some animals (lives) are more equal than others"