Was anyone taken in by Project Utter Crap today?

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It is said there are 200 pages of it. It could probably win the Cooker Prize for Fiction. It is the sort of thing that was probably cooked up by one of the Oxbridge teams.

How dense do they think we are? They are asking us whether we want the Norway model, the Canada model or the Papa New Guinea model? All we want is out and as soon as possible!

"One backbencher said that the Remain campaign's 'Project Fear' approach had 'turned into Project Utter Cr**'. "

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545348/Osborne-rails-dishonest-Brexit-supporters-warns-quitting-cost-family-4-300.html

A4 knows how true it is.

Why should I know that? I don't understand what you mean

A4Document

Are you suggesting that we should overlook and forgive politicians, during a campaign, while they spew out repeated lies and deceit? I don't agree.

Simon Heffer cats a bit of doubt about Vote Leave and was not impressed by Boris's performance in front of the Committee. Let's hope the Brexiters are not being stitched up. I said it wasn't fair to bring up Eton and Oxbridge over Boris, but I am starting to wonder.

"Whose side is Vote Leave really on?

Vote Leave’s first week as official campaign of the “outers” has been dismal. It is lucky that Leave.eu is still having public meetings, because Vote Leave seem incapable of doing so. The bizarre performance of one of its senior figures before a Commons committee last Wednesday left some of us wondering whether he was on day release from a secure facility. Worst of all, it seems reluctant to campaign on the issues that most upset the public: mass immigration and the vulnerability to international terrorism that it creates.
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It represents little more than Tory outers, hardly represents at all those in the Labour movement who want out, and treats Ukip like a very bad smell, even though the most formidable, popular and articulate proponent of leaving is still Nigel Farage."

www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/04/23/the-election-of-malia-bouattia-proves-that-the-nus-is-beyond-sal/

Are you suggesting that we should overlook and forgive politicians, during a campaign, while they spew out repeated lies and deceit?

Is this about the tea bag rule?

There's honesty and dishonesty from both sides (and within Brussels). No, I don't think we should overlook it.

I think we should take each argument on its own merits, read what various people (politicians, journalists, writers, the general public etc.) are saying about it and not stick to just one person's comments. If it's someone who you know hasn't always been honest, take their assertions with a pinch of salt until you've checked out their validity.

Some of the Brexit-supporting politicians whose opinions I've been interested to hear recently are Liam Fox, Daniel Hannan and Priti Patel. It's not all Boris and Farage.

A4, I agree, those 3 are very good. In fact, Kelvin McKenzie thinks that Priti Patel will become Prime Minister one day. She is very good.

"Is this about the tea bag rule?"

If you are suggesting you only know of one example of Boris deceitfully making up lies to bolster his cause, then either you have not read the thread, or you are deliberately mis-stating.

Which is it?

Kelvin McKenzie - that would be the man responsible for sending a reporter into a psychiatric hospital where Jeremy Brett was being treated for manic depression when he was also dying of cardiomyopathy, to ask him whether he was gay and dying of AIDs. Also the man who published an entirely fabricated interview with Simon Weston, inviting readers to feel revolted at his facial burns. And the man who published a "love rat" story about a member of the public when he and his wife had separated 15 years previously - and when his life was in the balance after a heart transplant.

And, of course, the man who claimed that the fans were responsible for Hillsborough, and that they had been attacking and urinating on "brave cops".

Precisely why should we place any faith in his judgment?

I knew about Hillsborough but not the rest. I am just reporting what I read him say, which I thought was interesting because Priti Patel is a good MP and I hadn't heard anyone say she might be PM one day.

But why bother reporting the opinion of a known pratt with no regard for facts?

'But why bother reporting the opinion of a known pratt with no regard for facts?'

Where have I reported Tony Blair's opinion?

McKenzie is an important newspaper figure, like him or not, and does have his finger on the pulse of the non-Cameronian, non-moderniser Conservative grassroots, which is why I thought it was interesting that he mentioned Priti Patel, because I think his backing of her means that many other ordinary real conservatives are likely to agree.

McKenzie blatantly hasn't got his finger on the pulse, otherwise he wouldn't have refused to apologise for Hillsborough for over 20 years