Was anyone taken in by Project Utter Crap today?

[claig]

It is said there are 200 pages of it. It could probably win the Cooker Prize for Fiction. It is the sort of thing that was probably cooked up by one of the Oxbridge teams.

How dense do they think we are? They are asking us whether we want the Norway model, the Canada model or the Papa New Guinea model? All we want is out and as soon as possible!

"One backbencher said that the Remain campaign's 'Project Fear' approach had 'turned into Project Utter Cr**'. "

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3545348/Osborne-rails-dishonest-Brexit-supporters-warns-quitting-cost-family-4-300.html

'Boris Johnson was forced to admit his claim that EU regulations ban Brits from recycling tea bags was not true'

OK, this is a good joke because it has the smack of realism that a Zola novel has. He is showing the absurdity of the bureaucratic regulations of the EU servants as well as at the same time hinting that they could very well form a part of our near future if we are not careful and make the wrong choice in the Referendum.

Very good tactic, shows Classics training and Aristophanes type humour and foresight.

Boris's joke is almmost Kafkaesque which sums up the EU bureaucratic nightmare beautifully. I may have to start paying attention to what he has to say again if I get time from following events in Trump world.

'He also admitted there was no rule banning children under eight years old from blowing up balloons.'

Genius, very funny. I am starting to like Boris again inspite of his egregious faux pas regarding Trump. I haven't followed anything he has said in deatil, but from the headlines I have seen such as "they're talking b*" etc (which I assume refers to the Oxbridge teams), he is our only politician with enough confidence and guts to mock the Remain side and drive a coach and horses through their spin. If he keeps this stuff up (and wears sackcloth and a hair shirt for his Trump statement), the public will back him.

claig wrote: I have only seen blatant untruths and wild guesses from the Remain side.

That's perhaps because you are looking through rose tinted glasses.

For years Eurosceptics claimed the EU accounts haven't been signed off by auditors. The independent auditors press statements signing off the accounts as a true record & 7+ years annual reports are available online.

Brexiters say we send £350m to the EU every week.This figure is incorrect, it doesn’t take account of the budget rebate which is never sent to Brussels. In 2015, the UK actually sent £250m a week to the EU. We receive money back in the form of grants for farming, development & research & some of it is EU spending we include in our foreign aid so the net figure we pay is much less than that.

Nigel Farage claims Turks will use visa free travel to Schengen countries to get family union rights then come to the UK. Family reunion is normally only considered for people applying from outside the EU.

Today Gove said he believes the recent EU Five Presidents’ report on economic and monetary union will affect “our” taxes and banks. In fact, those proposals on banking and fiscal union apply to the euro area, not the UK. In any case, we have a veto on tax matters.

I could go on & on but the gist is there.

STIDW, there was something similar on the Channel 4 news? Taking everything into account, the UK pays quite a bit less now, than Norway does outside of the EU.

"He is showing the absurdity of the bureaucratic regulations of the EU servants"

...by making up lies, which uncritical anti-Europeans believe and circulate.

If they actually had anything true to say, they would say it.

I expect anti-Europeans who are dishonest will continue to pretend they have not "seen blatant untruths and wild guesses." from their buddies.

And circulated them.

Piglet, Boris was joking, lampooning the highly paid pompous servant class of spinners drafted in by Remain to save the Establishment. All Brexiters know he was joking and appreciate his witty sense of humour which pricks the bubble of pomposity that surrounds the servant class of spin merchants and oleaginous sales peddlers.

Boris knows that the servant class has no sense of humour and so he lobs a joke in their midst and watches them panic as they try to decipher it and escalate it up to Oxbridge for advice on how to react to it. Boris is like the Joker, he lobs stink bombs into the party of the servants and watches them scurry around like a bunch of beetles and out of touch automaton wonks run wild with a teleprompter. Boris creates havoc in their midst and then runs away laughing like Dennis the Menace did after he fired his pea shooter at the class swot.

It's brilliant and the people laugh at the bemusement of the Brussels bureaucrats and their retinue of publicly funded hangers-on.

Don't be silly, Claig.

You are trying to gloss over the fact that blatant untruths and wild guesses are being made up and circulated by your buddies in the anti-Europe camp.

And you are pretending not to have seen them.

I suppose that when you ally yourself to such people as Nigel Farrage, Nick Griffin, Gove and a professional buffoon who intends to be PM, you need a long spoon.

But Boris was not saying untruths because it was obviously a joke that the EU had banned children under 8 from blowing up balloons (although I do admit I had to frantically google before I could relax, having found no confirmation of that terrifying dictat from the bowels of EU Central HQ where the bigwigs party into the early hours on public ringfenced funds).

The Remain side have no jokes (apart from the grisly cast of characters and spokespeople they put up to frighten us on TV with their pre-prepared portions of spin that make a good citizen's head swim at the thought of how much more of our tax they intend to skim).

PigletJohn.....people who want to leave the EU are not anti European, but anti the EU; a difference you should appreciate. Some of us who will be voting to leave live very close to EU central, and have done for years.

scary, good to see you again. Haven't seen you for years.

Nigel Lawson lives in France, loves Eurpe but not the EU. Europe is a great place and we are Europeans too, but we want a great Europe again, one that is free from the wonks and wasters and losers who are ruining it and where the people decide their own fate and elect their own lawmakers and kick out the losers who let us down.

Scary,

whenever I say something you don't like, ask Claig to tell you it is a joke.

Piglet, the only problem is what you are saying is not funny, it is just plain arse-about-face wrong and misguided, a bit like Project Utter Crap.

haha, very amusing, claig.

Wheee !!! I have just sold "Sensibles in, mentals out' to the Saatchis for £600!

"Sensibles in, mentals out'

Is this part of UKIP's new election campaign slogan for Westminster representation in 2020?

in the anti-Europe camp. Oh dear Pigletjohn, some people cant stop conflating Europe with the EU. Try to learn the difference.

I suppose that when you ally yourself to such people as Nigel Farrage, Nick Griffin, Gove and a professional buffoon who intends to be PM, you need a long spoon. No spoon long enough Pigletjohn, when you align yourself with George Osborne, Tusk, Junker, Goldman Sachs etc.

Back to George Osborne

In 15 years time the average amount of reduction in GDP per head will be £4300. This is misleading because:

a) he is predicting 15 years in the future which no one can plausibly do.

b) GDP is not directly linked to the income of households.

c) £4300 is a reduction in what they anticipate the GDP per household will be in 15 years time for example if they originally said GDP would be increased by £50,000 per household, now this figure would be reduced to an increase to £45,700. This is not a reduction this is an anticipated reduced increased in our future GDP. Deliberate misrepresentation at best.

The Chancellor said the British economy will shrink by 6% by 2030. Without even debating the 6% how on earth can this man predict 14 years into the future when he cant predict next years figures accurately?

Osborne stated that Britain would be permanently poorer if voters choose to leave the EU, given that nobody knows what will happen if we leave the EU, we are just as likely to be permanently richer with an expansion of our future GDP 6% by 2030.

Projecting 14 years into the future is pure guesswork so on that basis, the state of the economy shouldn't be a deciding factor in leaving or remaining. This referendum should be based on sovereignty and control NOT on unreliable assertions based on figures plucked out of thin air because these issues we can accurately predict; immigration will get worse, more laws will be made in Brussels and we will have less and less representation in the EU as the EU expands.

Some quotes from

The deceptions behind George Osborne's Brexit report
Fraser Nelson, The Spectator, 18/04/16

"it’s his maths, today, which shames his office – and his use of this maths to make the entirely false suggestion that the Treasury thinks Brexit would make you £4,300 worse off."

"Deception 1. Osborne falsely claims that people would be ‘permanently poorer’ when he’s talking about the difference between 29pc GDP growth and 37pc GDP growth."

"Deception 2. Osborne then translates this reduction in potential GDP to household income..." "...GDP contains measures like the operating surplus of corporations; and all manner of other measurements."

"GDP per household, this bogus invention, bears no relation to household income. If GDP is divided by households it’s £68,000: nothing like they average disposable income (£18,600 per head, or £45,400 per household)"

"Deception 3. To arrive at the £4,300 figure, the Treasury divided GDP in 2030 by the number of households today. Arguably the most dishonest trick of the lot because, with all that immigration, there’ll be plenty more households by 2030."

If I have to think of both Michael Gove and Fraser Nelson, it will put me off my breakfast.

Fraser Nelson works for Spectator, owned the billionaire anti EU non doms Barclay Bros.

In fact, it appears around three quarters of the UK press is owner by people with anti EU stances, so not hard to see how influential they are.

thecorner.eu/news-europe/anti-eu-media-poison-uk-public-opinion/23191/

The Barclays don't seem anti EU from many of the DT articles.