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Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part VI

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HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 15/01/2016 10:54

Thread 6.

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Pinkchampchoccies · 15/01/2016 12:13

On New Year’s Eve, women across Europe were suffered mass assault. All women in the UK must be free to travel, work and live without experiencing sexual violence. We ask the government to debate and enforce measures to uphold women's rights irrespective of contrary religious or cultural attitudes.

this is good.

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 15/01/2016 12:14

But op said that if we include the words HATE CRIME it will eventually work against women.

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VertigoNun · 15/01/2016 12:18

We need to think a little more about this.

We need to ensure we don't let them harm women further by using this petition.
We need to link tweets etc talking about free speech.

Remember what Claig posted. She said they like to restrict us further.

VertigoNun · 15/01/2016 12:21

Sorry I may not be explaining myself well.

Trying to be devils advocate and think how others could spin this to their agenda.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 15/01/2016 12:21

Just wondering if it is necessary to be more explicit about the type of assault at the very beginning, otherwise the introduction of religion/culture at the end might seem a bit strange ....

Maybe something like -

On New Year’s Eve, many women across the EU were subjected to an imported form of group sexual assault. UK women must be able to move around freely without being molested. We ask the government to ensure that changing cultural demographics do not jeopardise women’s rights.

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 15/01/2016 12:24

We have to be prepared for the well-funded, well-organised Muslim groups to jump on our petition and say - again - the petition is against all Muslim people. As they seem to have access to an unlimited supply of Useful Idiots of every sort, we have to at some stage devise soundbites to counter the verbal attack. Immediately shoot down in flames what their rep says. They will try to steer any conversation to these events being perped by criminals. They will steer away from any debate about taharrush and general hostility and attacks on women being endemic in ME-NA.

No doubt some apologist for NYE will say the men came upon a group of people out in the square bringing in the NY and it was just high jinx, men letting off steam trying to dance and bring in the NY. Or somesuch. I have been listening to them for years and years, and their frontmen are well trained (i.e. CAGE): softy-spoken, every-so-reasonable, smiles, careful not to talk over anyone, polite to a fault.

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glenthebattleostrich · 15/01/2016 12:26

I really like that out.

Vertigo, I think I agree. There are groups who would jump on this legislation and use it as another stick to bear women with.

VertigoNun · 15/01/2016 12:29

Yes you are right focus on sexual assaults.

VertigoNun · 15/01/2016 12:32

Yes a good article, don't put it on the petition though it's a destruction.

LumelaMme · 15/01/2016 12:33

I like Out's version.

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 15/01/2016 12:34

version 3. 298.

ON NEW YEAR'S EVE, WOMEN ACROSS EUROPE WERE SUBJECTED TO AN IMPORTED AND ORGANISED FORM OF GROUP SEXUAL ASSAULT. UK WOMEN MUST BE FREE TO TRAVEL, WORK AND LIVE WITHOUT INTIMIDATION AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE. WE ASK THE GOVERNMENT TO ENSURE THAT CHANGING CULTURAL DEMOGRAPHICS DO NOT ERODE WOMEN’S RIGHTS.

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VertigoNun · 15/01/2016 12:35

You can still include live, work etc... name the group sex assault.
Use an article on it to explain for those who don't know what it is.

VertigoNun · 15/01/2016 12:38

My posts may be coming across bossy sorry not my intention. I am trying to process others agendas and am in a bit autopilot. I am making suggestions not orders, sorry.

Pinkchampchoccies · 15/01/2016 12:41

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OutwiththeOutCrowd · 15/01/2016 12:45

For my own part, I think it would be tremendously helpful to get British Muslim women on board. So we have to be careful not to alienate them through being disrespectful about Islam.

Such assaults are not an intrinsic part of Islamic culture which has brought much that is positive into the world. The most you can say is that the behaviour is more likely to be tolerated in or is at a greater risk of occurring in patriarchal societies like Islam.

VertigoNun · 15/01/2016 12:45

We have no volunteer to start this. Time to throw in the towel?

MephistophelesApprentice · 15/01/2016 12:46

I'd do it, but I'm not sure me being a white male wouldn't make it more vulnerable to accusations of racist bandwagonning.

fourmummy · 15/01/2016 12:46

ON NEW YEAR'S EVE, WOMEN ACROSS EUROPE WERE SUBJECTED TO AN IMPORTED AND ORGANISED FORM OF GROUP SEXUAL ASSAULT. UK WOMEN MUST BE FREE TO TRAVEL, WORK AND LIVE WITHOUT INTIMIDATION AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE. WE ASK THE GOVERNMENT TO ENSURE THAT CHANGING CULTURAL DEMOGRAPHICS DO NOT ERODE WOMEN’S RIGHTS.

This is good.... Can we ask MN to start the petition trying not to sound naive here

VertigoNun · 15/01/2016 12:47

Why the deleted posts? Confused

Pinkchampchoccies · 15/01/2016 12:48

MN would be good

VertigoNun · 15/01/2016 12:53

Nane the type of sexual assault is my thought. Xxxxrrush, I can't spell it.

HelpTheAnimalsFirst · 15/01/2016 12:56

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LumelaMme · 15/01/2016 13:00

I'd do it, but I'm not sure me being a white male wouldn't make it more vulnerable to accusations of racist bandwagonning.
That's the danger.

I agree about needing to get Muslim women on board.

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