Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part VI

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Thread 6.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400762/Syrians-sent-German-leader-s-offices-desperate-Bavarian-governor-coach-straight-day.html

Things cannot get back to normal this way . Merkel sends the busload of refugees back to Bavaria 7 hours round trip

Vertigo
I have no appropriate words.

Emily, You don't need to give the mobs of roughly a thousand men (in many different cultures) amassing together and working in gangs to sexually assault, rob and rape several hundred in a public area in contemporary civil society and in view of the police where police have not called for reinforcements, not documented it properly and gave false statements protecting the perps.

Half of that would do. Say 500 men. A link would be useful. Give a recent incident in Cologne for relevance. Or Germany, itself.

Maybe the Cologne police think the same as you. Other men carry out sexual assaults, so why zone in and prevent or deal with the attack by the mobs of a thousand. Maybe that is why the reinforcements weren't called in or why a false statement was given out. The women must be a bit unreasonable to object to being attacked by a thousand men with onlooking police not taking it seriously then or afterwards. And still people trying to make it a non issue.

Do you think if serious crimes occurs, the perp should get away with it 'cos other people commit crimes? And the police say it was peaceful and nothing really happened.

I am ok. I feel grateful I have not experienced anything worse or like that in the UK. I don't want that behaviour imported. Cat calling here is an annoyance. These group attacks sound horrific.

Just to ask, why do you think asking for assault/harassment of women to be recorded and prosecuted as a hate crime would harm women/free speech?

Vertigo. I have. I had someone masterbated over my back on nye 2002 in Brussels. Also in Brussels I had one force himself into my toilet cubicle and did things to me - 2000.

A friend in Brussels was walking to her apartment in st Catherine and was pushed up against a wall and sexually assaulted by a group.

I lived in Istanbul in the mid-90's and felt safer than I do on Europe's streets today.

Saying that police should focus on all kinds of sexual violence, including attacks by different perpetrators, is very different to saying it is a non issue or men should get away with it. The 'noexcuses' campaign I referred to and its calls for amendments to law and police behaviour makes that very clear.

The Cologne police don't seem to think any sekind of sexual violence is a priority. Nor does their judicial system that does not recognise street harrassment as a crime and requires a woman to 'prove' she fought her attacker off in court in order to get a conviction. Calling for these matters to be addressed, rather than focusing on a particular group and the shaky premise that they may be more likely to attack, seems a more effective way of addressing the attacks to me. How can the attacks be anything other than minimised by police when sexual harrassment is not even an offence in Germany?

Harassment of a Woman as a hate crime could include say Katie Price for tweeting her anger at discovering her friend had an affair with her husband.

A hate crime would be a GP querying the sex of a transwoman.

Emily has been saying the same thing over and over over 6 threads now. We all know that her statements would be very different if this had been 1000 white men coordinating an attack on refugee women. Honestly, just ignore.

TheNewStatesman Fri 15-Jan-16 14:24:48

Genuine question, but legally how can they do that? Here in UK it would depend on the rules of the operator and the manager him/herself. Here it would be up to the customers to complaint first and then take court action on discrimination based on EA 2010 if it applies and bring evidence.

VertigoNun Fri 15-Jan-16 14:48:08 I am horrified at your experience. What a trauma.

I remember your post from previous thread, GraceKelly about the masturbation.

I'd like to add here that I have been groped by strangers in public twice, not in Europe, but not in Muslim countries either.

Both times were in India. Once on a bus. Once in the middle of the street in Bangalore. Both times in broad daylight.

I believe in Calais they made the swimming pool residents only.

Also, what is the reasoning for the attacks to be called hate crimes? Are the consequqnces for hate crimes greaters than for those for sex crimes?

Shameless video form The Young Turks. I'm glad to see so many dislikes.

sorry not had time to read end of last thread but did anyone see QT last night? I caught the end of it only, and also saw GO, on N night no mention of the social implications.

Ignore Emily
Then she will go away and try to derail other threads

No questions on NewsNight about it at all.

Calling for these matters to be addressed, rather than focusing on a particular group and the shaky premise that they may be more likely to attack, seems a more effective way of addressing the attacks to me. How can the attacks be anything other than minimised by police when sexual harrassment is not even an offence in Germany?

Emily I said way back on another thread, if the law lets down women who are sexually assaulted, if the law is generally poor in Germany in this regard, it makes even more sense to not allow MORE POTENTIAL SEX OFFENDERS IN!!!!

Yes tackle the law, yes do all that needs doing to tweak it - but in the mean time what they can do is not allow any more migrants in.

HATE crime in this context is gender-specific. The target were women.

I will give you an example, Mr Emily, and you can ask your handler how to respond.

If a group of men attack another group of men who are wearing turbans - but they themselves are not - then you can confidently state it was a hate attack.

Who like me has been Sexually assaulted by Men like those described in these news articles?

Unfortunately I have - shoved back against a wall by a small gang, arms pinned and intimately groped. When told I'd been attacked the first question from the police was an interesting one: "Why, what did you do?"

Oh, and I completely agree about inviting immigrant women including muslims to join any campaign, since abuse is abuse no matter who it's committed against. Where any women are involved I'd hope their support would be readily given