9/11. Not interested in a debate here, but can we just have a quick show of hands?

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I'm just interested in how many people around here are also highly skeptical of what we have been told about 9/11.

I'm really not after a debate (it would be long, involved, probably pointless and personally I have done this elsewhere), but I just wanted to see who is around.

It has very strong ongoing relevance for current world events.

Many thanks.

I've always wondered whether they were aware of the plot, knew it was going to happen, but decided to allow it to go ahead to get public support for the War On Terror.

What's your point? You are asking a highly controversial question, stating your point of view within your question, and telling us not to express our opinion just a yes/no answer? There are no yes/no answers, there are many grey areas, and to your question Do We Know Everything the answer is of course not. Who in this world Would Know The Truth bout Everything. Come on.

Iwanta, I'm not saying you can't express your views - this is an open forum. Please feel free - I'd be very interested in what you say, although I can't promise I myself will engage here. I was requesting a little show of hands.
As for what my point is, I don't have one. I'm asking a question.

Thank you, DontHaveA.

As for stating my point of view within my question - yes, I have. I felt it was only fair since that's what I'm asking other people to do.

What's your question. If I show my hand or not, I want to know the question.

OK, Through, I will state a question clearly:

Do you think there are fundamental untruths in what we have been led to believe (e.g., in the mainstream media) about 9/11?

Like donthaveausername I wonder if the plot was known of beforehand. I also wonder if the 4th plane was shot down. For the rest I think the version of planes being hijacked and then deliberately crashed is largely true. I don't believe in drones or the buildings being exploded - it would need the involvement of many people and some would blab.

Thanks, Fatfree.

Yes, possibly.

Do I think the U.S. government were responsible in a direct way, then no.

I do think there are significant untruths in what we have been led to believe. Also don't wish to get into a debate about it!

I was within 1/2 a mile of the twin towers when they fell down and have no suspicions about the "mainstream media" version of events.

I don't buy into any of the conspiracy theories I'm afraid. The economic impact was far too great to merit an act of self-sabotage so the administration could justify an attack on the Middle East.

Thank you Through, Hope and Poster. Really interesting to hear what other people's basic positions are.

Thanks Qwerty.

I don't think it's possible to just say yes or no though. Strange question.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories either fwiw.

I think conspiracy theories are total BS and people who believe them are stupid. How's that for an opinion?

I think for some people it is possible to state a reasonably simple yes or no answer to the question:

Do you think there are fundamental untruths in what we have been led to believe (e.g., in the mainstream media) about 9/11?

(which ThroughThickAndThing sensibly asked me to state clearly).

Personally, I can answer a simple and fairly confident "yes" to that question. I agree that once one gets into the details beyond this (which I personally am not going to do on this thread) it becomes more complex.

Thanks for your response expat.

What expat said.

I agree with the group of 9/11 Architects and Engineers (2,000 + now I think) who would like an investigation into the collapse of WTC 7 - which was not hit by a plane.

So you believe everything about everything you see iand read in the media expat? I think that's fairly stupid.

Thanks Exit and Magz.

Most major events leave unanswered questions and inconsistencies, maybe because such a big event causes so much chaos, confusion and disbelief, so for that reason I'm on the fence.

I love a good conspiracy theory, but view it as fiction generally.

not sure what you are asking.

I believe it happened.

which bits do you feel skeptical about?

'So you believe everything about everything you see iand read in the media expat?'

No, or I'd have written that.