9/11. Not interested in a debate here, but can we just have a quick show of hands?

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I'm just interested in how many people around here are also highly skeptical of what we have been told about 9/11.

I'm really not after a debate (it would be long, involved, probably pointless and personally I have done this elsewhere), but I just wanted to see who is around.

It has very strong ongoing relevance for current world events.

Many thanks.

I've seen those conspiracy theories of those two american journalists. Thats a different topic though.

Penguin,
Do you believe those shootings were staged..?

Well do you think saville was covered up by a shady cabal of Jewish/American/lizard/bankers?

If yes, you're a conspiracy theorist.

What's the conspiracy theory about the journalists?

The journalist killing theories are a bit far fetched in my opinion but some of the points raised are actually quite interesting. I don't see how they would get away with staging it though so no i don't believe the theories.

'Well do you think saville was covered up by a shady cabal of Jewish/American/lizard/bankers? '

No, I think it was covered up by top levels of the Establishment to protect the top levels.

'What's the conspiracy theory about the journalists?'

They say lots of these type of shootings use what is called "crisis actors" in order to push for gun control laws and act as diversions for other events.

Do you believe that's what happened in the case of those journalists Claig?

claig
The fundamental hole in the idea that 9/11 was masterminded by a cabal of Jews, bankers and rich establishment is that hundreds of Jews, bankers and rich Americans died in the attacks.
Pretty bloody shortsighted of them when planning the attacks, no?

Of course the whack jobs will tell you that none of them actually died and took the day off/were evacuated in time. But I know this to be totally and utterly untrue because they were exH's friends and colleagues.

I can see why some simple souls would rather make up conspiracy theories that 9/11 didn't kill as many people as it did, that Sandy Hook didn't happen and those children didn't die, that the journalist shooting was staged and didn't happen. Because if you convince yourself that it was all staged, you can convince yourself the world isn't as bad and scary as it appears.

But the sensible approach to being utterly terrified by world events is therapy. Not making up far fetched theories as to why they didn't happen

So a cover up rather than a conspiracy theory?

Thanks claig So is the theory is they werent really journalists who were killed? Or no one was actually killed it was faked? We were in the U.S. at the time it happened, so I'm finding this interesting. It was very shocking at the time.

There is virtually nothing that there isn't a conspiracy theory about now.

The 9/11 Conspiracy theorists are generally very paranoid people who do not trust their government, and can't believe that terrorist could launch such an attack on the US, because the US have such a great defence, how could they beat it? While I have every sympathy with a distrust of the Bush administration, I have no faith that they could organise such an incredible inside job as 9/11 would be. The sheer size of the secret, and the number of agencies that would have to be in on it, makes the idea ridiculous.

But I thought the world reached a new low when the ones on those 2 reporters came out the same day I thought at the time - if you can make a CT about something that happened live on TV, then there's no hope. That, and the Sandy Hook ones are the gun lobbyists though, of course.

No, but I believe "crisis actors" are probably used in some cases.

Can you suggest some cases where you're fairly certain crisis actors have been used, Claig? I'd like to know more about this phenomenon.

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The theory is that everyone involved was an actor - the journalists killed, the anchors presenting in the studio, the grieving relatives. All actors.

It was scripted and organised to shock the country into accepting gun control laws, and the actors are all alive and well somewhere.

The also believe the same of the Sandy Hook school children. Those children weren't actually slaughtered and those parents aren't grieving. It was all made up to allow the government to push through a law.

Yes, people really are that mad and unhinged.

The boyfriend of the journalist shot on air has been interviewed about it. He has been hounded in his house by people who think he is a government stooge. It is all insane.

I am a 9-11 Conspiracy Theorist. I absolutely believe there was a conspiracy behind the events.

Specifically, I believe that a bunch of fucking terrorists conspired to hijack planes and crash them into buildings.

I realise that this is hard to accept. It's just crazy! I can see why people want to believe a simpler, more credible theory involving the US Government and international bankers.

'So is the theory is they werent really journalists who were killed? Or no one was actually killed it was faked?'

I haven't read up about that one. But the usual conspiracy theories about "crisis actors" is that the shootings are fake and did not happen, that the witnesses etc are often not good actors, that either a patsy is set up as the shooter or is also a "crisis actor" and that false facebook identities etc are created for the "crisis actors".

Hey, didn't you know that those two journalist had just uncovered evidence that would prove beyond doubt 9/11 was planned by the American govt??

Ha ha- only joking but I know the conspiracy fans will swallow anything.

'Can you suggest some cases where you're fairly certain crisis actors have been used, Claig?'

Just google "crisis actors" and got to youtube and type it in, there is lots about it.

When you say "highly skeptical of what we have been told about 9/11", do you mean that the public has not been told absolutely everything the authorities and secret service know about what went on that day? If so, then yes, that's highly likely. It's probably the case with all major incidents.

If, on the other hand, you're being a tinfoil-hatted conspiracy theorist of the "Bush staged the whole thing with missiles to justify the War On Terror, look, here is some grainy 'evidence' on YouTube" variety, then please. Get a hobby.

That conspiracy to allow for gun control laws has worked a fucking treat hasn't it?

Yeah. There is a lot of it out there. Because a lot of nutters like to feel credible by posting crap on the Internet.

'That conspiracy to allow for gun control laws has worked a fucking treat hasn't it? '

The theory is that they keep trying to get it through but the American people know the game and they can't get it through, so more "crisis actors" are needed to ramp up more fake shootings but without success.

People like to make sense of the seemingly senseless. They like to create the narrative that there "must be more to it", as if life is all one big episode of the X-Files or a John Grisham novel.

There's the same need around the death of Diana - people can't accept it was just a tragic accident because the car was driven by a pissed bloke, and she didn't have her seat-belt on. Yes, that "Spooks" episode about it was very good. But it's not real.