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9/11. Not interested in a debate here, but can we just have a quick show of hands?

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AnotherEffingOrangeRevel · 12/10/2015 12:36

I'm just interested in how many people around here are also highly skeptical of what we have been told about 9/11.

I'm really not after a debate (it would be long, involved, probably pointless and personally I have done this elsewhere), but I just wanted to see who is around.

It has very strong ongoing relevance for current world events.

Many thanks.

OP posts:
maresedotes · 12/10/2015 13:31

No.

Don't believe in this conspiracy theory.

AFewGoodWomen · 12/10/2015 13:31

sparechange

I am sorry to doubt your story, but this really strikes me as odd.

There were 'open line' phones between them and he spent the time between the plane hitting and the tower collapsing talking to his colleagues and taking down the messages to pass on to their loved ones.

People who were in the towers and knew they had been hit would surely be trying to get out? Going to the stairs?

I accept that there might have been many people on the middle floors who did not know what chaos was above them until too late but why would they be on the phone in that case to loved ones?

Birdfromblighty · 12/10/2015 13:32

Wow Sparechange, taking the messages down to pass on to love ones. What a responsibility and a heart breaking thing to have to do.

LibrariesGaveUsP0wer · 12/10/2015 13:36

I don't believe we know everything. It is perfectly possible that there were more warning signs out there and it should have been picked up, for example.

Do I believe conspiracy theories that they planned it or allowed it to happen? No. I think people love to believe that they are really really smart. Smart enough not to 'fall' the explanation. The truth is that the truth is often messy and inconsistent.

fleurdelacourt · 12/10/2015 13:36

OP - so you think the official explanation of 9/11 is batshit crazy?

Sorry - you have to explain why. You cannot expect open responses if you're not asking a fully open question.

I agree there are some crazy conspiracy theories out there. I do not agree that the official explanation is one of them.

ExitPursuedByABear · 12/10/2015 13:36

I thought people on the floors above where the plane hit couldn't get out - hence why they threw themselves out of the windows? Maybe they passed on messages to loved ones before they jumped?

IssyStark · 12/10/2015 13:37

I would be very surprised if we'd been told everything - the various secret services will not let all their secrets (and cock ups) out. However, the information we've been given is, I believe true.

Quite frankly I don't believe that any government or secret service is well enough organised to execute such a conspiracy.

Seriouslyffs · 12/10/2015 13:40

Do you think there are fundamental untruths in what we have been led to believe (e.g., in the mainstream media) about 9/11?
No

spanisharmada · 12/10/2015 13:41

I think boden summed it up pretty well

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AnotherEffingOrangeRevel · 12/10/2015 13:43

fleur, I am asking the following question:

Do you think there are fundamental untruths in what we have been led to believe (e.g., in the mainstream media) about 9/11?

For me, the answer is a probable yes. I don't really want to get into further debate here (sorry to awkward - for me, this is not the place. I'm not asking anyone else to debate it, either, unless they want to).

OP posts:
theredlion · 12/10/2015 13:43

AFewGood Exit is correct.
There were many people trapped in the towers above the site of the impact.
They knew they wouldn't survive, lots of them made telephone calls to their loved ones.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 12/10/2015 13:44

Do you think there are fundamental untruths in what we have been led to believe (e.g., in the mainstream media) about 9/11?

No.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 12/10/2015 13:45

I'm also with expat on conspiracy theories.

Maryz · 12/10/2015 13:45

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NameChangerGoGo · 12/10/2015 13:48

No

floppyjogger · 12/10/2015 13:49

Ive always wondered how people were using their mobiles and phoning loved ones from the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, especially since the horrific plane crash that has just happened over France.

Why didnt any of the Germanwings passengers or pilot phone home when they realised their fate if it was possible to do so 15 year ago. They knew what was happening for a while before impact so had time to do it Sad

There must be some bullshit in amongst it all.

iamnotaponceyloudperson · 12/10/2015 13:49

FFS it wasn't a bloody conspiracy. Mass slaughter of the country's own citizens for Support for War on Terror. The sheer government competence and inter-service co-operation required renders the theory total and utter fantasy.

AFewGoodWomen · 12/10/2015 13:51

ExitpursuedByABear

Yes, you are right there were people who threw themselves out of the broken, shattered windows to certain death (one man was identified later by family members as likely to have been a waiter at the Windows on the World restaurant). But I am surprised that people who must have been baffled by what was happening in their building had the presence of mind to dictate messages.

I think on a plane, it's quite different. People are aware planes get highjacked so it is not unimaginable to try to call home / leave a message. But in 2001, people sitting at their desk, realising they were going to die (how?) and thinking of sending messages rather than saving themselves, well, it does not sound plausible to me.

I think nowadays the reaction would be different precisely because we are all aware of 9/11. But before 9/11, people who worked in offices would simply not expect to die at their desks.

Sorry to be cynical about this heartwarming story. Just I have read of heartwarming stories which prove to be hoaxes, like Tania Head

iamnotaponceyloudperson · 12/10/2015 13:52

floppy - have you looked at the details of either incident ? Its quite clear why phone calls were possible in one instance and not in the other...

AllMyBestFriendsAreMetalheads · 12/10/2015 13:53

"I think it's highly likely we've not been told everything, but I'm not sure to what extent."

This^ and this:

"We don't know the whole truth about anything. What we hear is what the government want us to hear. If it's not in their interests for us to hear it then we won't."

I think this is true about many things, 9/11 aside. We know what we're allowed to know.

The 9/11 conspiracy thing - are people suggesting that George Bush was masterminding this?

MajesticWhine · 12/10/2015 13:53

I accept the mainstream version of events. Of course we cannot know everything but I don't believe it was all a conspiracy.

floppyjogger · 12/10/2015 13:55

I must have missed the clear explanation poncey

MidnightRed · 12/10/2015 13:55

No I don't believe the conspiracy theories.

Ihavenoideawhereitis · 12/10/2015 13:55

I believe the main facts that we have been told are true. The event was too huge to have been orchestrated by the government, and then to have been covered up.

Of course we won't have been told every detail of the events, and nor should we.

Conspiracy theories often come about, not because there is any truth to them, but because people are reluctant to accept that things like this can happen.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 12/10/2015 13:57

"...realising they were going to die (how?)"

Sorry, but that is a really ignorant question. I think it was plain they might die, it was getting a little hot and smoky up there. And they couldn't get out. They weren't gabbing on the phone rather than walking out. There was a fireball underneath them.