Chrissie Hynde said that victims of assault have to take responsibility

[Gymbunny1204]

She's been interviewed by the Sunday Times.

Wearing short skirt, high heels, drunk - implies your fault if raped. Dressed like that you need to be able to run. She says.

She was assaulted at age 21. Says her fault she went with the men.

I hate her for making me think for a split second it was my fault I was abused as a child for running to the loo in just a top which did cover my bottom, I had no pants on. In front of the abuser.

Piece in the daily mail about her interview.

I suspect she has a record to promote.

Unfortunately i cant reread and quote the whole thing as mn have deleted it. Shame.

However, to paraphrase, something about "fixating on one thing like a monotone moron", wasnt it. You want me to be offended in context? I am autistic, the totality of the sentence is offensive and disabilist. Which is a hate crime.

I am glad you have stated you find this thread about rape and abuse "amusing". That quite clearly shows your intentions here.

You're pathetic Mainkster, pathetic and smug. If you're looking to be amused, take yourself to a different thread. Whatever you're playing at is getting really old

Gymbunny I'm so sorry to hear about what happened to you. But I don't think you have the right to 'own' this thread..This is my thread, and to demand that people who don't share your views leave the thread.
This is a forum for debate. And we live in a democracy. Neither Peggy or Main were saying anything deliberately and personally hurtful to you. They therefore should be allowed their space to debate

Oh do be serious. How am I hurting anyone who hasn't just decided to get the huff.

Have I said anyone who has been assaulted is to blame? NO!
Have I specifically stated they are not to blame? YES!
That perpetrators are to blame? YES!

If you're bored go and vacuum or something.

God Mainkster you sound awful, it's almost reassuring that your awful opinions match your personality.

You are hurting someone who has told you that. Human compassion should rein you in at this point, even if you think you are "right" in some schoolboy debating way.

It's so horrible the way that women post on here for support and get twatsplained to by twats.

Actually, grammar, being supportive is a key feature of the site, far more so than impersonal debate.

Oh do be serious. How am I hurting anyone who hasn't just decided to get the huff.Have I said anyone who has been assaulted is to blame? NO!
Have I specifically stated they are not to blame? YES!
That perpetrators are to blame? YES!
If you're bored go and vacuum or something

Apart from the big "but" that comes at the end ey? Anyway, still waiting to hear all the ways I can avoid getting raped, looks like we're not going to get them, perhaps if I get raped in the future it will partly be your fault for not properly equipping me with the skills to not get raped.

I've had a look back through your posts, i'm failing to see the magic bullet that can prevent rape? The one you claim you have already stated? If you could quote, that would be massively helpful to my tiny ladybrain.

Mainkster - you have cast doubt on Gym's post. You have doubted twice that she was raped as a child - first when you said "IF you are a victim of abuse" and second when you said "IF what you say is true".

That's hurtful, of course it is! directly and personally to Gymbunny.

As for the rest - your idea of "staying safe" clearly doesn't preclude attack, although you admit that if you are attacked it might not be your fault - so how does that fit with staying safe? Staying safe implies that one will NOT be attacked. Makes no sense. Contradictory. Can you see that?

I'm sure you are a nice person
But, you are behaving like an arsehole

^ not a personal attack as the bit after the but doesnt count.

We should all take reasonable measures to lessen our chances of being a victim of any type of crime. (e.g. locking doors when we go out, hiding valuables, using strong passwords, being careful about disclosing personal information) It is called being sensible. However, the perpetrator is always just that - a perpetrator of crime. It is not the victims fault.

Hynde is entitled to her views - she suffered the crime and she has to deal with it. We cannot live in a society where are views must be censored for fear of offending people.

The OP posted a subject (albeit close to her heart) and wanted people's opinion on it.
You can be supportive (and I was, as my post shows) and open-minded about people's different views.

The posters being criticised were being anything but supportive, grammar.

Would you care to explain, Grammar, how this line is not deliberately hurtful to the OP under her circumstances?
"...people on this thread cant seem to want to take responsibility for themselves... "
On a thread about rape, where the OP has been raped, peggy chooses to tell her that she can't seem to want to take responsibility for that. And you think that's ok, do you?

Fuck that if those two can bang on about personal responsibility because its merely there view. Then its merely my view and my opinion that they are dickheads.

Thumb My point is that people have right to debate an issue on here without being hounded when others don't agree with them. We live in a democracy

Fine, but you said that "Neither Peggy or Main were saying anything deliberately and personally hurtful to you."

And you were wrong in both cases.

This is a private site owned by MN whose overriding premise is to host a supportive forum: nobody has any "right" to publish their views here.

...if those views and the way they are expressed are not in line with the site's ethos, they may be deleted. News flash - doesn't mean we don't have a denocratic government.

Peggy is notorious for provocative posts and Maink has been here a day.

If this were a counselling site, specifically designed as a supportive network and nothing else, I would agree with you , but Mumsnet serves more than that purpose. There is room for debate AND support

I'm not hounding, i'm disagreeing vocally. Not my fault other people agree with my 'side'. Has anyone linked to "we believe you" yet.

Just a guess, but i think mnhq would approve of posters disagreeing with rape apologists.

Mn isnt a democracy

Here we go, here is the mn borgs view on rape apologists...

www.mumsnet.com/campaigns/we-believe-you-campaign-rape-myths-busted