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Chrissie Hynde said that victims of assault have to take responsibility

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Gymbunny1204 · 30/08/2015 11:53

She's been interviewed by the Sunday Times.

Wearing short skirt, high heels, drunk - implies your fault if raped. Dressed like that you need to be able to run. She says.

She was assaulted at age 21. Says her fault she went with the men.

I hate her for making me think for a split second it was my fault I was abused as a child for running to the loo in just a top which did cover my bottom, I had no pants on. In front of the abuser.

Piece in the daily mail about her interview.

I suspect she has a record to promote.

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Lottapianos · 01/09/2015 15:42

peggy, you're suggesting that women take 'sensible steps to minimise that risk'. Maybe you could be clearer about what those steps might involve and which equivalent steps men should be taking in order to maximise women's safety?

Mainkster · 01/09/2015 15:43

This is an extremely complex issue

I think those who assault and rape others are the people who are to blame, it's their fault.

But we do have to take responsibility for protecting ourselves while we know there are bad folk out there.

Take a different perspective, when you leave the house you lock the doors and windows. And you have insurance. This is to protect your possessions, because you know there are nasty people who will go into your home and take your stuff. In theory you should be able to go out and leave the property unlocked and return to everything intact. BUT we accept that's not the case.
So (on that basis) women need to keep safe, don't walk about alone, drunk and an shoes you can't run in.

Lemonfizzypop · 01/09/2015 15:44

Ha! It's deluded to want all responsibility to lie with the person committing the crime?! Jesus Christ.

And I'm still waiting for these "steps" you think I should be taking to avoid getting raped.

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Gymbunny1204 · 01/09/2015 15:44

Peggy - just leave it now. It's my thread and I'm allowed to ask you to stop victim blaming. Explain what a young teenager did wrong if you insist on carrying on and just in case you didn't realise, my thanks peggy was extremely sarcastic.

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Gymbunny1204 · 01/09/2015 15:45

Mainskster - victim blamer.

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Lemonfizzypop · 01/09/2015 15:45

And again - mainkster this time, what level of "locking up" would you suggest when it comes to the crime of rape?

Lemonfizzypop · 01/09/2015 15:46

Why will none of these people tell me how I can lock myself up?!

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 01/09/2015 15:46

At any given point, it is always the potential rapist's choice whether or not to rape. They may have an unconscious, drunk, naked woman in front of them - it's still their fucking choice whether or not they stick their dick in her. And the minute they do, they become a rapist.

That's not her fault. It's theirs. Their choice. Not hers.

iamaboveandBeyond · 01/09/2015 15:46

So lets say mr rapist is in a club looking for a slutty (urgh) woman, yet all of the women stick together, mind their drinks and are wearing burkhas. What do you think he will do - go home thinking "never mind, my raping urge can wait til tomorrow"? Or do you think that one of the women (or even a man) regardless of following the safe-rules will end up being raped?

Because the only real risk factor is being in the company of a rapist?

Have you looked at rape stats for any muslim countries where women actually are covered (and i would hazard a guess at them not being falling over drunk either)?

Lottapianos · 01/09/2015 15:48

I am really sorry for bringing up the burglary analogy. I was trying to use it to illustrate how completely differently the two crimes are, and how the victims of each get treated totally differently, but its been hijacked by the victim blamers as usual. So sorry for that.

Mainkster, please see previous excellent points about not being able to lock up ones vagina, anus or mouth in order to avoid rape.

iamaboveandBeyond · 01/09/2015 15:48

I left my house earlier with my ipad on the side and windows open. Noone burgled me because my house was at no time in the company of a burgular.

peggyundercrackers · 01/09/2015 15:49

gymbunny im going to leave it now because people on this thread cant seem to want to take responsibility for themselves - just because you want to silence me doesn't mean I agree or makes what you think right - there are obviously lots of people who think like I do. I never thought your thanks was anything other than sarcastic...

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 01/09/2015 15:51

Lemon - you need to build yourself one of these, and (this bit is important) keep your hair to yourself.

Chrissie Hynde said that victims of assault have to take responsibility

Lottapianos · 01/09/2015 15:51

Before you go peggy, these tips about staying safe and minimising risk...... We're still waiting......

Lemonfizzypop · 01/09/2015 15:52

Yeah lots of people think like you do, and you're all contributing to rape culture so well done.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 01/09/2015 15:52

Peggy - what a fucking bitchy thing to say to someone who was raped as a child! You utter arse.

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Gymbunny1204 · 01/09/2015 15:52

Peggy

Fucks sake

Tell me how I AS A CHILD failed to take responsibility for myself when she was attacked in my own fucking bed.

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grovel · 01/09/2015 15:53

I'm not sure this changes anything but when I read the Times interview I took her to be saying:

"The rapist was going to rape someone that day. My behaviour/clothing meant that it was me who he attacked".

In other words her behaviour/clothing was not responsible for a rape happening - but it made her the target.

The above is not a quote. Can't find the mag.

Oswin · 01/09/2015 15:53

Peggy your being really fucking offensive. Time and a place eh? Can you read the ops posts?
Or are you trying to be hurtful?

Twunk · 01/09/2015 15:53

I spent many evenings drunk, in short skirts, inappropriate shoes etc but I've never been raped.

I've never been raped because I was never attacked by a rapist.

I've never been raped in my own home because none of my family, friends or boyfriends have been rapists. Neither is my husband.

I count myself as fortunate, not especially good at "protecting myself" whatever the fuck that means.

Original poster

Gymbunny1204 · 01/09/2015 15:53

when I*

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AbeSaidYes · 01/09/2015 15:53

I have decided to feel sorry for CH because clearly she, like many other women, has been beaten down into a position where she feels she has to take the blame for her own assault. Women have had years and years of this kind of shit and it's hard for them to understand how they have been influenced to believe women are some how to blame.

slithytove · 01/09/2015 15:55

There are two women who have been sentenced to rape because of their brother.

How should they have protected themselves?

There are some sick views on this thread.

The ONLY reason anyone will be raped, is if a man chooses to rape them.

And that is nothing to do with location, sobriety, clothing, time of day, or anything else. A man will choose to rape a person, because he is a rapist.

slithytove · 01/09/2015 15:56

Peggy, you aren't asking people to take responsibility for themselves. You are asking them to take responsibility for a man who might decide to rape them.

slithytove · 01/09/2015 15:58

If I go out today, and decide to pinch some stuff from asda...

Is that asdas fault for making it all look so enticing?
Or my fault, for being a robbing bastard?

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