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Part 4: Israeli-Palestinian conflict

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AndHarry · 31/07/2014 11:46

New thread again.

Thread 1 - started when 3 Israeli boys were found murdered.

Thread 2 - in which we mainly discussed Operation Protective Edge.

Thread 3 - in which we continued to discuss Operation Protective Edge, the wider conflict and international involvement.

Welcome to part 4, in which I hope it's not too much to ask that we stick to the MN Talk Guidelines Wink

As many people have asked about Syria, I'm pleased to say that a new discussion on that subject has been started (by another poster here.

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KareninsGirl · 31/07/2014 12:49

The murder of the Palestinian teen was widely condemned by Israelis. Those who committed this terrible act were caught and are awaiting trial.

In contrast, Palestinians rejoiced at the murder of the three Israeli teens, even coming up with a three fingered sure, which they encouraged their children to pose for online.

And to be frank, Israel has been bombarded with rockets and has not retaliated for months....years. The world only noticed when Israel reacts.

PigletJohn · 31/07/2014 12:50

KareninsGirl Thu 31-Jul-14 12:04:02
First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Yep, and then they came for the Palestinians.
How many have been killed and maimed today?

FrontierPsychiatrist · 31/07/2014 12:51

Instead, the IDF is trying so hard to only take out Hamas bases where there are no innocents, they actually delay operations and risk the lives of Israelis while they text and phone Gazans to BEG them to escape before a strike.

So, the IDF, in your words, begs civilians to leave their homes before they drop bombs, bug it doesn't stop them dropping bombs on civilians homes, when there are still civilians in them.

Aren't we glad that no other army in the world does this.

The children on the beach
The children waiting to use the swings in the UN camp
The children take safe refugee in the UN schools
The children being hustled around Gaza while their parents look for somewhere for them to sleep at night

How can you expect the world sit quietly while the Israeli army indiscriminately bombs children, men and women, in UN shelters?

It's WRONG. IT CAN NEVER BE JUSTIFIED.

It has to stop.

Let's just a talk about these warnings that the IDF give to Gazans. I heard that they were sometimes paper warnings dropped from a plane, sometimes a text message, sometimes a phone call, sometimes a warning bomb. A bomb! We bombed them, uh, but it's just that that was how we warned them that we were going to bomb them. Yeah. Uh-huh. And they didn't get out of the way, so we bombed them. Yeah. Human shields. They're making us do it, you see. It's not out fault. It's their fault that they have to die.

Can anyone explain to me, where are the people expected to go?

And being told to evacuate a refugee camp? Where do all those people go? Into the sea?

Israel. What are you doing?

Israel has infinitely more power than Palestine, infinitely more resources. Don't forget that.

Israel has murdered a thousand Palestinians in response to a homemade rockets and tunneling. Is that a proportionate response? Disproportionate response in war is an international humanitarian crime.

Targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure is a war crime.

Israel is commuting war crimes. There is no doubt about it.

This has to stop.

Springheeled · 31/07/2014 12:55

Curiouser and curiouser.

I see someone put the willies up Penelope Cruz!

Kareninsgirl I'm pretty sure Niomoller would be raising an eyebrow to say the least at your misreading of his poem. And as a pacifist and member of CND who knows whether he'd support the nuclear state of Israel murdering children in a place of refuge?

FrontierPsychiatrist · 31/07/2014 12:56

There's a great quote (apparently falsely) attributed to Einstein:

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over agin and expecting a different result.

I imagine that Holocaust survivors can see exactly where this conflict is going, having lived through it once before. The Jews also built tunnels to get food into the Warsaw ghetto, didn't they?

Can no one see how history is repeating itself?

I'm feeling quite despairing about this today. Does nobody care?

PigletJohn · 31/07/2014 12:58

KareninsGirl Thu 31-Jul-14 12:49:53
In contrast, Palestinians rejoiced at the murder of the three Israeli teens

Rejoicing, you say? That sounds awful. Anyone who could whoop and cheer at the deaths of people must be a shameful and inhuman monster.
Please do confirm that you agree with me

The sort of people who could do that are probably so evil that they would even attack a UN safe shelter

Like you, I despise such people, and I'm glad we can agree that they are disgusting.

such evil people should be prosecuted for war crimes

timbucktoo · 31/07/2014 12:59

Some of these brave Jews were children, who could maneuver through small spaces in walls, barriers, and fences. They brought food and weapons into Jewish ghettos. Since they were destined for murder anyway, many Jews decided to fight back.

timbucktoo · 31/07/2014 13:00

Why,why,why cant you see what is really happening here?

Leehy1CORD · 31/07/2014 13:02

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somewheresafe · 31/07/2014 13:05

Karen - what a complete misappropriation of that poem.

Next you'll be telling us that Jewish babies and children are being killed. That no food is being allowed in. That doctors are working without electricity or resources. And that slow death is killing the population of israel. Inverted reality.

I am happy to engage with genuine posters. It is very easy to pinpoint the non genuine posters and I refuse to engage with them or those have haven't bothered to read the first few threads.

PigletJohn · 31/07/2014 13:08

marta123 Thu 31-Jul-14 13:03:01
you talk as if Israel is a massive superpower

Compared to the Palestinians, it is.

marta123 · 31/07/2014 13:09

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timbucktoo · 31/07/2014 13:11

Marta, do you hate Muslims?

PigletJohn · 31/07/2014 13:11

Hello, Leehy1CORD

I see you have only just joined.

As a courtesy to the rest of us, could you read some of the thread before you copy and paste any more screeds of propaganda.

Thank you for your co-operation.

Leehy1CORD · 31/07/2014 13:12

Hi PigletJohn , of course, thank YOU for warm welcoming :-)

Leehy1CORD · 31/07/2014 13:14

Piglet, i know Jews have no hater, this is way Israel is protecting itself

PigletJohn · 31/07/2014 13:16

No, Marta, don't be silly. Do you hate the Palestinians?

As you've only joined Mumsnet today, do please spend a bit of time reading the thread.

somewheresafe · 31/07/2014 13:16

And don't forget your spacing please leehy. HTH.

Less racism would be nice too but probably too much to expect from you.

marta123 · 31/07/2014 13:18

Piglet. I do not hate Muslims. i have many Arab friends and work together with many Muslims Christians and Jews. you didn't answer the question

marta123 · 31/07/2014 13:20

I do not hate Palestinians. have you ever been to Israel? Do you know any Jews?

PigletJohn · 31/07/2014 13:20

read my reply again, more carefully. Concentrate on the first word.

Springheeled · 31/07/2014 13:20

Yes, islamophobia doesn't go down so well- you could try the EDL? The BNP? I think the far right are having difficulties at the moment with whether to go with their islamophobia or their antisemitism in the current conflict- you could weigh in to their discussions rather than ours

Leehy1CORD · 31/07/2014 13:20

its very nice of you to talk about expectation with all your hater. I just join this tread and been attacked, by only saying that Jewish people do not have hate !!! I myself not Jewish by the way... I'm christian does it matter...

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