Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

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Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16243388

The radio feature just now said that the CCTV showed that there were 30 people on the bus. Even allowing for a few asleep and / or pissed people, there should still have been at least one who could find the change. Even if only for the selfish reason that sitting waiting 8 mins while someone else searches their bag is annoying.

Completely agree public transport companies should have a statutory duty of care to the public (the clue is in their name...)

blackout
The rules say that you can do it
He could have let her go to the cashpoint
He could have accepted the 20p from her mum at the other end as offered

He decided not to.

Also giving someone the money to make up their fare on the bus and to the driver is different to giving change on the street.

toad, you're right :(

I think there should be cameras on late night buses (are there, it's years since I have been on one?). The behaviour of drivers should be monitored. Any bastards should be dismissed and the onus must be on the driver and the company to prevent people not being allowed on late at night due to shortage of funds.

I still find it mind-boggling that people are so pessimistic and defeatist.

So don't bother helping because someone's got to get raped / robbed / run over so it might as well be that person right in front of you?

If it hadn't been her, something might have happened to prevent the next, or make it a lot less bad.

I don't get it.

Yes, there was CCTV on the bus (think most have it now). The footage has not been released to the media or the public (presumably to stop the passengers being identified)

The problem is that there are jobsworths in every job - I am pretty sure there are very decent bus drivers around (and my DW has experienced such behaviour first hand with the DCs when younger) but equally there are ones who will only do things by the book (hate to say it but usually women ones are the sticklers for following the rules - again DW had a few nasty buggy-related incidents with women bus drivers who you might hope would have some level of empathy). I guess the problem is that these days it's more than their job's worth....if they get caught being compassionate human beings but it is against the rules then they often risk their jobs.

However DW had an occasion recently when she didn't have the correct bus fare (too much but the bus driver had no change) but he offered her the option to take the bus and pay the fare within a given timeframe (think it's five days). As DW was only going to lose 20p she just accepted that she wouldn't get any change. But the bus driver didn't need any persuading to give her the option....he was apparently very affable.

If only they were all like that.. I do think though that on night services there need to be extra caveats to cover vulnerable people. Maybe the laws should be revised.

You can't blame others for what he did. It's not right. He is the only one to blame. I don't blame anyone else for the actions of others

So, SP, you don't think the other passengers and drivers are even a teeny tiny bit culpable?

sardine its nothing to do with don't help at all. So pull your head out of your arse. It's to do with people blaming others and not the one who did it! He went out that night to rape. Weather they helped her or not some poor woman was going to be raped that night.

No one would have hears of this story if she hadnt have tried getting on the bus. No one would give a shit then

"However DW had an occasion recently when she didn't have the correct bus fare (too much but the bus driver had no change) but he offered her the option to take the bus and pay the fare within a given timeframe (think it's five days)"

I think that they have to offer this.

Certainly aviva do it (I cnp upthread) and my DH works for a large transport company and he has said this is the rule too.

Iwouldve given her the 20p. And i reckon the bus driver was being an officious twat, he couldve let her on.

However, as has been said - nobody but the rapist is to blame for thr rape. We dont stand for the whole 'women, its your responsibility to keep safe' thing so it makes me feel uncomfortable that people are saying the rape happened because other people 'failed' to keep her safe. As a stand alone issue though, yes its shite that no one would give her 20p.

I have, and have seen others, pay towards someone elses fare on the bus. The only times i have seen someone get refused travel is when theyve had an attitude. When someone has been willing to hold the bus up by refusing to get off it usually leads to a stand off where the driver will turn off the engine and other passengers dont, ime, offef to help towards the fare in that situation.

Its such a silly way to report the case though, we dont need an unfortunate chain of events for rape to happen, it happens anyway. And in some parallel universe someone else was raped at the next bus stop down because the bus (which during the night are pretty much clockwork) was 8 minutes late.

Pull your head out of your arse?

Why are you getting so stroppy?

Are you a bus driver who has done this or something?

Not to the extent some people on here think they are! He went out knowing full well what he was planning. The bus driver and passengers didn't know that.

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if you are going to put some of the blame on the pasengers and driver are you also going to put some of blame on the victim?

"No one would have hears of this story if she hadnt have tried getting on the bus. No one would give a shit then"

Yeah that's right no-one gives a shit about rape victims.
Seen the I Believe You campaign? The support threads on here?
For crying out loud.

I think you can also blame others. If you see some lying unconscious in the street, you have a duty to do something, call the police or ambulance etc. If you see someone lying in the middle of teh road inebritaed, you need to do something, not wait until they are run over. If people are in potential danger, you need to do something. Any public company and its employess, in particular, should be duty bound to do everything in their power to protect people in vulnerable positions.

You can be prosecuted in some countries if you fail to stop if you witness an accident. Not sure if that is the case here.

the problem is that people seem to just switch off if someone needs help - I guess it's the cry wolf thing that has spoiled it for people who are genuinely in need.

the problem is that on night buses you might not generally find the compassionate, kindly types who would naturally offer to help out in such circumstances....

I think it's quite easy to tell who on this thread would help another person who needed it, and who would turn their back.

Shocking.

sardine no I'm not the bus driver I'm someone who as gone through similar situation as this woman. I don't think its right to blame them for something a dickhead like that as done.

Not meant

claig
"Any public company and its employess, in particular, should be duty bound to do everything in their power to protect people in vulnerable positions."

I don't know of any public transport companies that arn't privately owned.

SardineQueen
"I think it's quite easy to tell who on this thread would help another person who needed it, and who would turn their back."

A very holier thanthou attituded

I dont relate to this idea that peopke are selfish and uncaring, i just dont see it.

I use london public transport every frigging day and do not see people going around not giving a shit about each other. So on this occasion the woman was not helped, its shit, yes but not imo indicative of any kind of rotting of our social fabric. People, in the main, are bloody decent.

So. SP, don't you think that something can be done to make people safer from the risk of rapists. Do we have to accept that there is nothing that can be done and that bus drivers should end up putting people in vulnerable situations after they have pleaded for 8 minutes for the sake of 20p. It is a scandal and things need to change.

No nothing can be done! I made sure I was safe and I was still attacked! If someone wants to.rape someone then they will find a way to get what they want!