Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

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Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16243388

Plus..it was 20p.

I do agree tgat to blame tge driver is akin to victim blaming and tge comments on This Morning were tgat way. In fact I was expect EH to ask why she was on her own etc and he made comments about tge driver instead, still means tge same thing everyone else's fault except tge rapist

HerMajesty - according to SardineQueen the bus company policy allows him to let her pay the fare later if he judges her to be in a vulnerable situation. He would NOT have been putting his job on the line, he just chose not to use the remedies available. He SHOULD feel guilty - he was not doing his job properly and should be disciplined.

Mind-bending thread

He could have let her on the bus (vulnerable rule)
He could have let her go to the cashpoint
He could have agreed to accept the 20p from her mum at the other end (as offered)

He chose to do none of these things and turn her away. How that does not make him a right bastard is beyond me.

You are all missing the point that this bus driver would have been a right bastard even if nothing had happened to her. Whether something bad happens or not as a consequence of his actions is beside the point in thinking whether the driver did something wrong or not. Of course he did.

Honestly.

poor bus driver, fancy being blamed because of a rapist!

I have only eve seen a person refused travel when they have approached the driver with an attitude.
It usually results in a stand off, and where other passangers would normally help they dont.
Nobody wants to be held up on a cold bus at 3 in the morning for 8 minutes.

"All is takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". People were in a position to help, and they did nothing, which in turn allowed an act of evil to be committed (incidentally, he also beat her so badly that her own mother didn't recognise her at first and the policeman who found her initially thought she was dead).

I absolutely do not hold the victim responsible, and of course I don't think the driver and passengers are guilty of rape. But they are guilty of failing to look out for a fellow human who clearly needed their help.

sardine and I never once said there would be no point! Read the posts right! I said he went out looking to rape so weather the girl had been helped a rape would still have occurred!

not poor at all, he would have to be stupid to think there were no risks to a young woman walking home at 3am alone, he took the risk of subjecting her to that risk, they both lost out.

Erm where have I said it was his fault?

I have been saying all through the thread that the bus driver was a right bastard, and I stand by that.

Obviously the blame for the rape lies 100% with the rapist.

But I really don't agree with this: 'the behaviour of the driver etc. is only appaling because something else happened.

they where not to blame.'

Even if the woman had not been raped, she would still have been left to make her own way home at 3 o'clock in the morning. For lack of 20p out of a £5 fare. Even if the bus driver was pissed off because he might have to make up the 20p shortfall himself, surely at that time of the morning he might have had the common humanity not to leave a young woman (or anyone really) on her own like that?

There is too much bystander apathy in England. Of course someone should have given her the 20p, especially given that this was a young woman late at night trying to use public transport. It's a complete no-brainer. The driver and passengers should feel a great sense of shame at being part of this dreadful, and avoidable chain of events, and I just hope the next time something like this happens, it is not their sister/daughter/cousin/niece involved, whether drunk or not.

The trouble is, even if they could take names and addresses etc it would probably cost £20 to administer the collection of the outstanding 20p and if you make it too easy to allow passengers to stop thinking ahead about what they need to take responsibility for themselves then it would all go to hell in a handcart.

Agreed it would be good if all buses and taxis etc had debit card machines.

so should a bus driver just do this for young women?
what about young men? they are vulnerable in the same way.

Some bus drivers are right bastards.
Most of them aren't, obviously, but some of them are.
This one sure as hell sounds like he was.
He could have helped her and he turned her away.
What a bastard.

Of course they should not strand anyone at 3am for the sake of 20p.

Many people if they realised they were short would be able to do something else, they would not beg with the driver and offer all these alternatives.

If someone is standing there begging and it's the middle of the night and there's no more buses for hours and it's 20p then yes of course they should assist.

It's in the rules that they are able to do so.

Why are people so cold?

HerMajestyQueenHillyzabethII, I am sure I read that it was indeed the last bus home for her that night.

Princess

if we are to infer that the driver is to be blamed for not letting her on the bus can we also infer that the mother was to blame because she didn't drive there fast enough to pick up her daughter?

"She began walking along Mansfield Road out of the city where she had arranged to be collected by her mother."

No we can't bacause it would be stupid, as stupid as blaming the bus driver for the rape.

HMQ - this was the last bus that night. The driver knew that by turning her away he was leaving her on her own.

SQ - exactly. The bus driver behaved appallingly, even if "all" that happened was that she had to wait for half an hour on her own at 3am for her mum to come and pick her up.

And surely the fact that the woman asked the driver to wait while she went to an ATM does suggest that she wasn't just a fare dodger?

(Though even if she was a drunken fare dodger, I just can't get my head around her being denied travel on the last bus home at 3 am for want of 20 bloody pence.)

Only earlier today someone stopped their car to help me with a pram in the wind because they could see I was struggling and a delivery driver has helped me carry something heavy inside when he didn't have to. There are still kind people around, it's a shame this girl didn't encounter any on her journey. I hope that driver is kicking himself. Obviously he isnt the one who attacked her but who would purposely leave a youngster to walk home alone in the middle of the night? I would give a stranger 20p without a thought.

If I had 20p Id have given it to her, DH and I once got scammed for nearly £50 in airline (I think Easyjet) charges, the couple in front of us couldnt pay, the girl was crying, the airline werent going to let them on, so we paid.

They took our mobile number to arrange to pay us and they never did, but Id still do the same again.

Problem is, I may not have 20p, I tend to pay everything with debit card when I go out and often dont have cash.

The passengers should have paid, but the bus driver, well he probably gets this all time.

The poor poor girl, and I also think there would have been a different victim.

The only person to blame for a rape, is the rapist.

If the driver had refused to take her at 3pm, then it would not have been so bad, because there is much less risk to the passenger at 3pm ,because lots of people are around and there is less risk of crime, but at 3am in the dark with few people around, then of course anyone, male or female is vulnerable.

But Boney, I am not blaming the bus driver for the rape. I have already said that of course the rape was 100% the responsibility of the rapist.

What I am saying is that even if she had not been raped, it is pretty shitty not to let someone travel at 3 am on the last bus of the night because she (or ANYONE) is 20p short of a £5 fare.

Agree with SardineQueen's comment upthread

"You are all missing the point that this bus driver would have been a right bastard even if nothing had happened to her. Whether something bad happens or not as a consequence of his actions is beside the point in thinking whether the driver did something wrong or not. Of course he did."

There were other options open to him, other than throwing her off the bus. He chose to throw her off the bus. He is a bastard.