Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

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Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16243388

"At the very least he was hoping she'd be cold and stranded and probably scared and upset."

Nonsense. You have absolutely no way of knowing anything of the sort.

He didn't do it because he is a wanker end of! Bus drivers are known for this, many times I haven't been allowed on just for paying with a note! But I doubt he did it so she got raped! He didn't go 'no can't let you on, my mates round the corner waiting for someone to attack so off you go'

He was been a wanker of a bus driver that is all

Also the idea that if he hadn't been able to attack her it would've been someone else is a really disturbing thing to say but I can't articulate why.

Like it's not worth saving this victim as there will be another one?
No consideration that things might have been different with a different victim - that someone might have seen something, called the police, someone might have intervened, the new victim might have been able to kick him in the bollocks and escape.... Any number of things. This" oh well he's going to rape someone so it might as well be her" is really cold and creepy and defeatist.

Soup, the girl made a mistake FGS, she didn't have the money, are you saying that not one of those passengers had 20p to help her out? Have YOU never made a mistake then?

The other passengers and the driver made a deliberate decision not to help her.

I just hate that "not my problem" attitude, it's a lot to do with why so much crime happens as the perpetrators know no-one will help the victim.

soupdragon

He could have let her on and he chose not to. He could have let her go to the cashpoint and he chose not to. He could have accepted the 20p from her mum at the end of the journey as offered, and he chose not to.

What do you think is a likely reason for his actions, then?

He did it* not didn't

In my opinion, bus companies should not be allowed to operate unless they have policies which care for people in these situations. It is not good enough for them just to drive off without taking passengers in these circumstances.

Given that I am not him, SardineQueen, I really can't comment. Which doesn't seem to have stopped you deciding what he was thinking.

Sardine he was out to rape someone. Weather they had paid it for her someone out there will have got raped. The only reason its in the paper is because of the fact she wasn't allowed on the bus.

I have been attacked my self so me saying 'it would have been someone else' is how I feel because if I had not of been where I was it would have been someone else and not me!

Carrots, those other people also made a mistake.

Sorry, Claig, I'm not prepared to give the passengers the benefit of the doubt, I'm afraid. They sat and waited for 8 minutes while she searched through her bag for the extra 20p. At 3am. On the last bus of the night.

What did they think was going to happen to her? They didn't think. They just didn't. And there's no excuse for that lack of empathy.

Had none of them ever needed a bit of help from strangers? Either some small change, directions, help carrying a heavy suitcase up the stairs? It's all part and parcel of being a functioning member of a decent society, IMHO. You help people who need it, you get help when you need it.

I think it's a disturbing thing to say, SQ, because it implies that the poor girl was just a piece of meat and any old piece of meat would have sufficed

unfortunately, that was the rapist's mindset

it also implies that it's purely a matter of chance and circumstances whether we get raped or not

which is completely true, but very distressing for people to accept, hence the way that people hang on soooo tenaciously to rape myths like "you can prevent yourself gettign raped if you do X, Y or "

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Jesus, really? They wouldn't let her on the bus because of 20p late at night???? It just beggars belief...do none of them have daughters? This is society at it's selfish worst. It's beyond words ridiculous.

Claig - my crossness is not really aimed at you, even if it seemed that way in my last post. It's aimed at the driver and 30 passengers who could have helped but didn't

I agree Families. But, do we know how many passengers were on that bus and what state they were. I don't excuse them. I would have helped. But how do we know whether they had the 20p either. The bus company is an official business carrying the public around and making money, they have a duty of care to the public in my opinion. They should have an insurance policy to cover lost revenue in these circumstances. The law should be changed to ensure that this never happens again.

Like it's not worth saving this victim as there will be another one?

Not at all, tge fact is without going into details tgat others have made clear they don't want to know, this woman was left with terrible injuries, after I made my comment from reading tge article I have seen further comments from the police who have said the same thing. He went out that night in order to do this. Of course no-one on that bus knew that would happen but tge fact is no-one stopped to think what could happen if they didn't help her.

Did the girl appeal to passengers for the money do we know?

there's a chance that the passengers didn't know what was going on - most people travelling on public transport are pretty lost in their own world or plugged into music

30 passengers. Good God. It is inexplicable that no one helped.

No, Soup, the girl lost her money or spent too much. She thought she had the money but didn't. That is a mistake.

The passengers had the money, saw the situation the girl was in and made a CONSCIOUS DECISION not to give her the money as she was kicked off into the night. That is NOT a mistake.

It is the difference between accidentally dropping a brick on someone's head while building a wall, and deliberately holding a brick in your hand and smashing someone's skull with it.

One is an accident, the other is murder.

the behaviour of the driver etc. is only appaling because something else happened.

they where not to blame.

AF that's exactly how the rapist sees the victim. That is just how it is. Rape can't be prevented no matter what you do.

Thats the point, we don't know what anyone was thinking. We don't know why the bus driver didn't let her off the 20p. Maybe he has already had a warning from work about his fare not tallying up?

Also for the passengers, I remember when I use to work in town on a saturday night. I couldn't walk from work to the bus stop without people asking for bus fares. I did start of by giving away any spare change I had, but then week after week it was more often then not, the same people asking. When I started to refuse saying I didn't have any change on me I got a mouth full of abuse for it.

soupdragon I think given a set of circs where someone is behaving like a right bastard it is not out of line to suggest the possibility that they might, in fact, BE a right bastard.

Who knew what he was thinking. I certainly don't. And nor do the people who are saying with absolute certainty that he did not want anything bad to happen to her. How do they know that? They don't.

The evidence points to him at the very least wanting her to be upset an stranded in the middle of night in the middle of nowhere. Not the actions of a nice person. He made the active decision not to let her on, even though he could have, and well within the rules.

The passengers were passive - I can understand what they did (didn't) do. They were probably pissed and tired and not really paying attention. But the driver made an active decision to turn her away.

'What did they think was going to happen to her? They didn't think. They just didn't' It's worse than this Families, they did think, the conciously chose not to help, they didn't give a flying fuck, evidently.