Baby with a LOW temperature post vaccination..????

[GreenandBlackOtter]

Any one had experience of this...?
My little boy 13 mths has been really poorrly since friday following vaccinations on thursday ( hib and ...?)

He started with whinging and loss of appetite followed by vomitting for a day and now terrible diarroeah and a low temp 34.5 and BLUE lips!

he appears very poorly - sleeps till 1pm every day and then dozy two hours later - but the cold ams and legs and blue lips do concern me...

any docs or nurses??

any similar??

tia

HE NEEDS THE CARE.

DON'T BE PROUD

IF IT'S NOTHING, YOU CAN BE OUT OF THERE SHARPISH

DON'T TAKE THE CHANCE

'poorly but stable' ?????

for fuck's sake, just take him, will you?

If you get suddenly worried in the night don't hesitate to call for an ambulance or something equally OTT though will you? I've only done that once, but I have done it! Go with your gut always, don't talk yourself out of something.

Hope he's feeling better tomorrow.

Otter - is he improved from yesterday or from earlier?

Are you concerned about him?

I don't trot off to the docs at the drop of a hat either and as Wallace said blue lips in a generally well child aren't necessarily a sign of something serious but combined with his other symptoms.....

I know it seems like everyone is piling in here but the GP did say he seems very poorly, yet has given you no reason for his poorliness. GP's can be wrong. I have personal experience of that and dd is very lucky to still be here.

Don't be swayed by the fact that you've already had advice. If you're not happy - go back.

hi greenandblack. you know my feelings - i've posted several times.

but for everyone else, whether we like it or not, greenandblack has made her decision to wait and see. She is with him and we are not. I dont think having a go at her will make her take him to A&E.

I hope he starts to improve soon. x

G and B

I think most of the people last night said take him to A and E straight away.
Usually, a 24 year old registrar (lucky if they're that young) that is specialising in peads, DOES know better than a GP or two or three.

The consultants that I know personally and professionally would ALL say that mothers know when something is wrong with their child, and would certainly not expect a mother to take a GP's (or three) word as final if they were still worried, regardless of their qualifications.
Incidently, as you asked, I have a degree and have been a nurse for 10 years, and have caught a good few Gp's out in my time.

Anyway, this is driving me potty. Our advice is clear take him to A and E, if not, you're quite frankly being ridiculous to think that you'd be wasting anyones time.

can't believe your attitude, we're trying to help. What about harold shipman? Is he someone you'd have trusted? My point is that you don't know and drs are just human so dont make them into beings that are always right when that's not the case. You must have been worried as you asked for advice s trust yourself and get him checked, blue and listless isn't good.

s'cuse me... you rang the gp first of all, he said it sounded all fine. you knew it wasn't fine so you came on here to ask us lot what we thought. we told you what we thought. seems to me like you don't want to believe something might be wrong. it is scary isn't it? and when you have 4 other children (is that right?) it could be difficult having one child in hospital. is that part of it? can someone else look after the others?

Ok,

GP's have to take a snap descision about someone's helth. They have, t best 10 mins to see you. They have appointm,et lists as long as your arm

NHS direct can only offer advice as dictated to them by a flow cahrt. They cannt see your son.

Take him to A&E and he can be monitopred if needs be over a period of time. They can check his bp etc etc etc etc.

It's a no brainer

This response is so illogicial.

I have been to A&E more times than I care to count with DS and not once did I feel I was wasting their time.

Otter, if you are still teading this, I am sorry for being arsey.

I am worried for you, that's all.

I am desperate to come on here tomorrow to find you have taken him to A&E and that there is nothing wrong

I had to labour with a chest infection as dr got it wrong and you can imaginw how painful coughing forcefully was after giving birth. Drs are wrong at times and mine isn't the only time gp's have got it wrong.

I've just seen your other thread Otter. Was this just a wind up to see what reaction you'd get?

Oh god, I hope not. That's too awful to contemplate

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here, and I really hope your DS is ok tomorrow.

Hi
OK I am new here and ths is the first thread I have read (although not all of it so excuse me if I repeat anything)
PLEASE take your child to an A&E department NOW. I am a Sick Childrens Nurse and work at a large hospital for sick children. Children who are cold mottled and blue IS NOT GOOD. Young children have the amazing ablty to compensate for SERIOUS illnes a lot better that the adult body can do but they can only compensate for so long. Signs of compensation are cold hands and feet, mottled skin, low temperature, sleepy, etc etc However like I say they can only remain in this compensting state for so long. Eventually they cannot keep this up and they decompensate. BP drops, HR rate drops, respiratory rate drops and eventualy full blown respiratory arrest followed by cardiac arrest. Once decompensation starts it is very dramatic and very quick. GP's, and nurses not used to dealng with seriously sick children regularly comment on how fast a child can go from ill but not seriously to not breathing... This is actually not the case they are just not trained on recognising the signs of a compensating sick child. Adults do not compensate at all and when sick you will see the deteriaration over a period of days and it becomes very obvious they are seriously ill before it becsue critical. Blue lips and cold hands in an Adult IS NOT the same as in a child.

PLEASE GET YOUR CHILD CHECKED OVER BY A PEADIATRICIAN. YOU ARE NOT WASTING NHS TIME!! As a nurse in A&E I would rather see a mum come in every night for days on end if she was worried than have a child come in too late because Mum thought she shouldnt bother NHS and some GENERAL practioner said baby was ok.

lets keep thi bumped in the hope she reads this.

serenity2 sounds as though she knows what you are talking about
please get a second opinion and if we are all wrong then you can tell us to get lost
we are only nagging as we are very worried

dandasmummy - I think it just might be.... on another post tonight she wrote: 'I left my baby outside the post office today'

Presumably the same baby who is supposed to be ill.

this thread makes me

I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight.

Oh shit, Tinkerbelle. That doesn't sound good does it?

Are you goinf to take him to the GP again tommorow?

op is not the kind of person to wind up ime

I donlt think this is a wind up.

I just wish she's take the poor little mite to A&E