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Baby with a LOW temperature post vaccination..????

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GreenandBlackOtter · 27/03/2007 20:47

Any one had experience of this...?
My little boy 13 mths has been really poorrly since friday following vaccinations on thursday ( hib and ...?)

He started with whinging and loss of appetite followed by vomitting for a day and now terrible diarroeah and a low temp 34.5 and BLUE lips!

he appears very poorly - sleeps till 1pm every day and then dozy two hours later - but the cold ams and legs and blue lips do concern me...

any docs or nurses??

any similar??

tia

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emkana · 28/03/2007 20:40

How often do you see articles in the paper about GP's who didn't spot the signs for meningitis for example and a baby died?

GP's make mistakes all the time.

I'm sorry for my last post, you are right, you did take the advice given last night.

Tonight the advice is from all of us that you should go to A & E.

Look, at the end of the day, why are we all spending time on here urging you to go? Because we are worried!!! It's not as if we're getting any pleasure out of it!

emkana · 28/03/2007 20:41

Why would you ignore them though?

And if he needs to be on a drip, he needs to be on a drip!!!!

I think I better go in a minute, what would it take to make you see??????

JodieG1 · 28/03/2007 20:41

Actually yes you can carry on asking them it your child is still ill. I took dd to the gp twice in the same day as I was worried about her and he said I was right to get her checked. NHS direct aren't looking at your child so can't see for sure and I'd rather get him checked over again and have more tests to find out why he's like that. It just doesn't seem right.

NormaStanleyfEGGcher · 28/03/2007 20:41

you pay for the NHS though - they are yours to use and erm use as much as you like

Debz72 · 28/03/2007 20:41

You don't understand.....When you go to A and E he will be seen by the paediatric team. They are the people that train and look after children all day, every day, not a GP who sees mainly old people with chest infections and piles....OK I have worked in both A and E and GP surgeries.
YES anyone can be wrong. Anyway, he's only seen one GP in person hasn't he, the NHS nurse, didn't see him did she?
Have you got all the answers you need? Are you not worried about him anymore???? Are you going to just wait and see if he gets worse before you seek help?
If yes, well it's up to you. If you're not happy, ask a professional that sees children. Otherwise it's like you've been to the fish counter at the supermarket and asked about the cheese and taken the answer as correct because they both work in the supermarket....

dandasmummy · 28/03/2007 20:46

FFS I WANT you to prove us all WRONG!!

Gess · 28/03/2007 20:47

I've heard of quite a few nasty reactions to penumonococcal - doctors are often quite dismissive of vaccine reations- because usually babies are fine with them. They can be nasty though and are worth being concerned about iyswim, just in case you're in the minority group. Do you have an after hours doctor service you can ring? I usually ring them rather than NHS direct (who either say its nothing or call an ambulance). I'd go on how he is himself, if he's really still quite floppy and stuff I'd take him in to be looked at. I avoid getting sick children up, as generally I think they're better off in bed so I do know what you mean, but I think this sounds quite unusual perhaps and therefore perhaps worth getting a 2nd opinion on. If I knew it was a virus I'd be less concerned iyswim, but not being sure what's going on, I'd be inclined to perhaps go for a second opinion.

How far are you from A&E? You're there with him, and know him the best so do go with your gut feeling. But don't worry about wasting time (I used to be like that with ds1). They really never mind seeing babies - even if they see them repeatedly. Don't talk yourself out of going iyswim.

Gess · 28/03/2007 20:50

not having a go at all, but why are you giving calpol/nurofen if the temp is low? Is it for pain? (partly ask as nurofen gives ds3 diarrhoea).

Debz72 · 28/03/2007 20:50

I'm sorry, but for cryingoutloud. I have been a nurse for 10 years and you should hear how many phone calls I get a day about things like how many times do I take this tablet...from the same patient...once I remember a patient calling me 5 times to ask how many tablets she took, and another time a patient called me because she had wee'd more than usual and thought it might be the tablet (it wasn't), another patient rang because she had headache and her GP had sent her home with painkillers and they didn't work...she rang me a copule of times and I told her to go to A and E, she did, but didn't wait, and rang me. I told her to go again....she did, and it was meningitus. All I'm saying is that I don't give two hoots how many times someone rings me, and I have never heard anyone else in the hospital that does. We would rather see someone that is anxious (for VERY good reason in your case) than a mother that sits at home taking her GP's advise as gospel.....

IntergalEGGticWalrus · 28/03/2007 20:52

PLEASE take him.

He can't tell you if he is feeling really poorly.

You need to get him to A&E asap.

Even if it's just to shut us all up.

PLEASE

tinkerbellhadpiles · 28/03/2007 21:01

At the risk of getting vilified, I'm starting to think you don't have a sick child here. I don't actually believe anyone would seriously risk their child's life just not to 'bother' someone.

Debz72 · 28/03/2007 21:04

ummmm, think I'm with you Tinkerbell....

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GreenandBlackOtter · 28/03/2007 21:04

be jaysus

i TOOK my baby to the doctors
what part of that do you all not get?

How amny of you trained for 5 years got 4 A's at a level and then took gps exams

I take their advice AS YOU ALL TOLD ME TO!!!

Suddenly that is not good enough - some 24 year old registrar in a and e is supposed to know better

what do i say 'NHS direct and 2 gp's said it would run its course but MUMSNETTERS are saying they are wrong'

oh i forgot

ONE mumsnetter said he is not sick at all

PARP

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BizzyDint · 28/03/2007 21:05

good grief my PILs are busy wasting nhs time nearly every week with one silly thing after another (friction rash on his ankle from his new socks was the latest) and you have a floppy, cold, blue lipped, mottle skinned child on your hands and you are worried about wasting nhs time???!!!! dear god. get down to a&e.

JodieG1 · 28/03/2007 21:05

I'd never wait if my child was that ill, always better to be safe than sorry.

tinkerbellhadpiles · 28/03/2007 21:06
Hmm
Gess · 28/03/2007 21:07

oh don't be so mean. I often wouldn't take mine to A&E when a lot of mumsnetters would. G&Botter is with her little boy, and know's what he's normally like. My only concern is if she's talking herself out of going because of a fear of wasting time. i.e. going against her gut instinct. Because they really don't mind you going back again and again with babies.

JodieG1 · 28/03/2007 21:07

sorry but when lo is BLUE and listless that isn't normal, fuck what gp said and take him to be checked by a specialist. GP's aren't god's they make mistake and your lo isn't getting better.

moopymoo · 28/03/2007 21:08

(lurking...)
cant believe this...when i rang nhs direct about my son with a tummy bug and said i thought his lips might be a bit blue they said that means go to a&e STRAIGHT AWAY...thats what comes up when they go through the flow chart things that they triage you with. if this is for real, just go ffs. he was fine thank god but never was i made to feel i shouldnt have gone and am so glad i did.

IntergalEGGticWalrus · 28/03/2007 21:09

Jesus.

Just take him.

Be done with it.

Then you can tell us all to do one.

paulaplumpbottom · 28/03/2007 21:09

GreenandBlack, this is what you pay taxes for. You are not wasting their time. You employ them.

NormaStanleyfEGGcher · 28/03/2007 21:10

Otter - please if he is still getting those same symptoms after a week then you should get him seen - It will give me and apronstrings something to talk about tomorrow

I feel like I am repeating myself here

IntergalEGGticWalrus · 28/03/2007 21:12

this is wha NHS direct says about children with blue lips

I know he's had them for a week, but please will you take him?

pucca · 28/03/2007 21:13

I had to ring NHS direct the other day for my ds, and they run a series of question in which one of them is something along the lines of "is your child blue and floppy".

GP's are wrong, infact after what i went through with my dd (bone infection in her foot) even consultants are wrong, but go with what you feel, you are his mum.

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GreenandBlackOtter · 28/03/2007 21:13

thankyou gess

he is fine poorly but fine and i have been reassured by those who know - who are trained to know

hopefully tonight whilst my baby sleeps and remains poorly but stable - some baby who really needs the care will get it

the rest of you can continue to take your baby to the GP and then ignore his well- educated knowledgable advice - and spend another couple of hundred of the NHS's funds gtting the same advice down A and E

Thanks for the advice but next time i will stick with Doctors and not those who think they know better

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