Baby with a LOW temperature post vaccination..????

[GreenandBlackOtter]

Any one had experience of this...?
My little boy 13 mths has been really poorrly since friday following vaccinations on thursday ( hib and ...?)

He started with whinging and loss of appetite followed by vomitting for a day and now terrible diarroeah and a low temp 34.5 and BLUE lips!

he appears very poorly - sleeps till 1pm every day and then dozy two hours later - but the cold ams and legs and blue lips do concern me...

any docs or nurses??

any similar??

tia

TAKE HIM TO A AND E NOW!!!!!!
OK, I thought he had been sent to A and E by NHS direct last night (incidently, what did they say?!?). I'm a nurse, I just want to say, this is NOT a normal vaccination reaction, if indeed thats what it is. I give vaccinations (not MMR but have never heard of this type of severe reaction-ever/ has anyone else....). The fact that he is blue, means that he is not getting enough oxygen to all of his body......the fact that he is limp and sleepy is worrying enough......
I'm sorry to be harsh, but what exactly will it take for this little boy to be seen by a paedatrician? If you do not see a paedatrician when you go to A and E - STAY there until you do!!! You must get an answer to what is causing this. This could be pneumonia, or any number of things, but he needs help......NOW

I'm sorry to say that GP's often have little or very irregular experience of seeing sick babies, so I would dismiss what he says in this case. If anyone is "shutting down" (unless they are 90yrs old with pneumonia) it is very serious indeed and would likely be in intensive care.
This has been going on long enough....it's nearly A WEEK.....GET SOME ANSWERS AND HELP.....PLEASE.
My thoughts are with you, be strong, be your little mans voice.
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he literally barely blinked at the blue/cold bit

i said 'people' had said it was worrying and he kind of brushed over it
I do trust him - he is hydrated and does not have a high temp i just have to let it run its course
i do hate wasting nhs time....i know he will be ok and just needed reassurance about the blue/cold bit!

Please do what Debz72 says, this is so worrying.

But Otter we are telling you all here that blue/cold is NOT okay, it's just not!

i get blue lips a lot!

my dp is a vet and is legally allowed to treat humans in an emergency ( docs not allowed to treat animals) so i kind of turn to him as well and he says as long as temp not high and hydrated and alert he is ok

Have you spoken to NHS direct? How about if you give them a call to see what they say.

But if he's sleeping till midday every day he's not exactly alert is he.

i rang them last night and she told me to get him up etc - she did not seem to 'get' the blue lips/low temp bit and gave no explanation - said usually she would call an ambulance but i said he was in and out of blue ness and she agreed he should see a gp today

all my children sleep a lot when ill - he woke at 1pm yesterday

so if his lips were blue all the time, it would be a 999 job..? really think a second opinion would be worthwhile...can you or DH take him to A&E ..he will be seen immediately ?

Look you're the mother and it's your decision, but I would just like to say that IMO you can't be too careful.

And IME paediatric health professionals will always say that they'd rather you checked once too often than that a baby came to harm.

Listen, Some GP's are just WRONG sometimes. They just don't see enough of everything to be an expert on everything. HE needs an expert that sees sick children all day/ every day. I have been a nurse for 10 years, and have worked with many many GP's. He has 5 minutes and is thinking "no high temp, not dehydrated, no sore throat etc etc" He is thinking about the things that he sees usually. THIS IS NOT USUAL.

Please don't trust your GP if he is saying all is ok "wait and see" when all the signals are telling you otherwise. GP's can be wrong, he is human. Unfortunately I have many many many examples of this- being wrong not the human bit). He won't blame you for seeking a second opinion.
Just go to A and E and wait there until a paediatrician sees him. EASY, even if takes all night.

greenandblack - this must be really hard for you, especially when it must feel like we are all adding to your stress

my dd is always sleepy when ill too. it is a common reaction for children. however, it never lasts more than a day or so.

I think that given your DS has had an immunisation recently, he is sporadicly blue & cold, and is very sleepy after over a week i would suggest you go to a&e. are you far from one? Perhaps you could call one directly and ask to speak to someone? Or even call nhsdirect back as you would end up speaking to a different nurse?

Yes, if it's difficult to get to A and E, ring them.

Incidently, what's his breathing like? Is he cold and clammy or dry? The fact he's rousable is slightly reassuring, is that when you talk to him?

Otter - honey - I really would get him seen. If he is going blue and stuff, then it doesn't have to be related to vaccination, and could be all sorts of other stuff (heart problems - Thomas was recently diagnosed with a murmur that had not been spotted in 7 years!), and I really really would get him seen. It may be pointless, and would really really be a PITA for you, but NOT for the medicos, honest. I have spent enough time in A&E with my eldest, and in Alder Hey with Tom, to know that.

ALso do you have an NHS drop in centre near you? The ones near us are brilliant - and you can ring them for advice sometimes too.

Call me if you like - you know who I am.

This is going to sound mean and I don't mean it to: I don't give a monkey's if all your kids regularly turn blue - they could be smurfs for all I know, even if you do - this is NOT NORMAL and clearly you aren't getting the help you should be and yes it is a huge pain in the arse to do it when you have lots of kids, but GO TO A&E. Otherwise we are all going to jump all over you all night.

A few years ago I ignored the (in retrospect textbook and bloody obvious) symptoms of menigitis - in myself - I ended up in intensive care and I was very lucky to survive. I did get very slight brain damage and I will never get over some of the long lasting side effects - now, ten years later I'm just starting to get some of my memories back and I still have black patches on my feet where my body had started to 'shut down' as your GP so eloquently put it. You DO NOT want to take the risk of this happening to your child.

PLEASE go to A&E. If they say it's fine, then we'll all shut up (yeah for about five seconds I agree) but you are putting your child at risk accepting this GPs advice when clearly it feels wrong to you.

Even if it's just a vaccine reaction, it's serious enough to warrant investigation by a specialist.

so are you all saying that the gp was wrong?

and nhs direct?

Otter - babies and children get 'shut down' when the body diverts blood to organs in more need. Now it's fine if you know what the other 'need' is and it's being handled. But I would be concerned in this case because your ds doesn't have a focus for what's up with him, sore throat, ear infection, whatever. And he is unusually sleepy.

Otter - I think we are all saying that the GP could be wrong

NORMA!!!!!!!!!!

I had a GP tell me there was no way I could be pregnant about a year ago

They ain't always right

OTTER!!!!