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General election 2024

Women - don't lose your daughters' rights

202 replies

Isthisexpected · 02/07/2024 11:54

I came across two women this morning at playgroup who have no idea that the Greens, Labour, Lib Dems all have policies that will privilege men with various gender identities over women.

Please please before you vote - look up what each party believes is a woman. This will tell you all you need to know about whether they'll protect your daughter from having to change in front of a person born male, or share a tent with them at camp or compete against them in sport, or share a toilet and living room in a women's refuge....

I'm not telling you who to vote for. But please be informed about women's rights, for your daughters/grandchildren if not yourself.

OP posts:
climbthathill129 · 02/07/2024 16:35

This this this. I know who I'm voting 🙌🏼

Alwaystired94 · 02/07/2024 16:35

InfoSecInTheCity · 02/07/2024 16:32

@Alwaystired94 and as it stands right now with services being inclusive of men under the category of women, if a woman or girl is raped by someone she knows:

  • she won't be able to request for a biological female to do her rape exam without being labelled transphobic
  • she will be advised to "reframe her trauma" or attend inclusivity training if the experience means that she needs female only health care providers for routine appointments due to the trauma she experiences when in intimate situations with males
  • she can't guarantee that the rape counselling group she attends won't have a man in it saying he's a woman
  • if she needs the services of a domestic abuse hostel she can't guarantee that the other service users or the staff members will be female even if it is described as a women's only service
  • she may have to use the preferred pronouns of the trans-identified male who raped her in court referring to her rapist as 'she' to validate their identity

And just for added horror some lucky woman may end up locked in a cell in prison with the rapist because the rapist has invoked their 'I feel like a woman' card

(The above have all happened, they are documented real examples of how the inclusion of males in female only provisions has affected women)

Yes, we know the stats and women are significantly more likely to be assaulted by a man that they know. That doesn't mean that the destruction of female only services and spaces is negligible.

I never said it wouldn't have any effect, i explained how it wouldn't be as safe as the poster claimed.

requesting-same-sex-health-care-professionals_sep23.pdf (royalberkshire.nhs.uk)
so yes, you can request a healthcare professional of the same gender. This won't label you as transphobic,

https://www.royalberkshire.nhs.uk/media/gb4pxjda/requesting-same-sex-health-care-professionals_sep23.pdf

Weetabbix · 02/07/2024 16:37

OP, in what way do you feel the Tories have been beneficial for women's rights please?

Luddite26 · 02/07/2024 16:38

In an independent study Labour and LibDems come way before others for women's health care.

ABirdsEyeView · 02/07/2024 16:38

"so yes, you can request a healthcare professional of the same gender".

Gender is the wrong term. Anyone can claim to be any gender - it's utterly meaningless. You should say 'sex' .

Alwaystired94 · 02/07/2024 16:42

ABirdsEyeView · 02/07/2024 16:38

"so yes, you can request a healthcare professional of the same gender".

Gender is the wrong term. Anyone can claim to be any gender - it's utterly meaningless. You should say 'sex' .

the document states sex too. The whole point being you can request for either, some women would not be adverse to TW or men doing these. Some would. So it is an option.

MrsClownland · 02/07/2024 16:43

But KS is just referring to existing legislation. So it does apply now, but has been interpreted differently. I see IW on Twitter to day saying she legally belongs in women's spaces as she has a GRC - it is far from clear that anyone understands what the EA actually means.

Berga · 02/07/2024 16:44

I am more than a woman that is just one aspect of me, not my defining aspect as a person. I refuse to be reduced to a 'vulva person'. I will not be voting Tory because they have systematically fucked this country up the arse for their own gain, and used smoke and mirrors to make people believe it is for their own good. This stance is an example of that. I don't believe for one second this is more than a desperate grab on to a single issue to try and sway some voters. They don't give a fuck about women and children, they only give a fuck about themselves and their bank balances.

MrsClownland · 02/07/2024 16:46

Luddite26 · 02/07/2024 16:38

In an independent study Labour and LibDems come way before others for women's health care.

That's good. The Lib Dem's in Scotland stood in the way of a bill allowing women to specify that they wanted the person examining them in cases of rape to be a biological woman. They thought that was transphobic.

Alwaystired94 · 02/07/2024 16:47

MrsClownland · 02/07/2024 16:43

But KS is just referring to existing legislation. So it does apply now, but has been interpreted differently. I see IW on Twitter to day saying she legally belongs in women's spaces as she has a GRC - it is far from clear that anyone understands what the EA actually means.

They don't need a GRC for that. The GRC pretty much just changes their sex marker on documents, they don't need it to access female only spaces.

thebear1 · 02/07/2024 16:48

I had one child when labour was in power and one when the Tories were. I am well aware whose policies are anti women.

BitOutOfPractice · 02/07/2024 17:05

Honestly it’s like 1984 Group think on here with these single issue obsessed posters.

MrsMurphyIWish · 02/07/2024 17:07

I have a soon to be teen daughter. I worry about her future under a continued Tory government.

GrammarTeacher · 02/07/2024 17:10

Making people use the toilet of their 'original' gender will make it easier for abusive men to enter women's spaces! They will just say they are a trans man.

Shinyandnew1 · 02/07/2024 17:12

Startingagainandagain · 02/07/2024 12:42

The Tories have done nothing to support women in any way in 14 years...

If you think they care about women more than other parties you are completely naive. They only jumped on the trans debate to try to gain a few votes from the gullible...

As far as I am concerned my priority as a woman are the cost of living, housing, Health, social care, policing, education...

I could not care less about what trans people do or don't do with their lives or what gender identities people want to give themselves.

It has zero negative impact on my daily life.

This x 100.

I will not be voting Conservative-they don’t give a stuff about women’s rights and you are completely deluded if you think they do.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2024 17:20

GrammarTeacher · 02/07/2024 17:10

Making people use the toilet of their 'original' gender will make it easier for abusive men to enter women's spaces! They will just say they are a trans man.

Do you know, I hadn’t even thought of that. It’s a good point.

biarritz · 02/07/2024 17:52

I will absolutely not be voting on this issue and no one I know in real life will be either.

things like the environment, world affairs the NHS and education are the topics I will be voting on.

women’s rights are important but can be dealt with by oetitioning the government of the time and joining a political party etc

I think the people who are pushing these issues are conservative supporters trying to woo people away from other parties. The conservatives have been in power for fourteen years and haven’t resolved these issues so it would be daft to choose them above other parties re women’s rights anyway.

CovertPiggery · 02/07/2024 18:05

InfoSecInTheCity · 02/07/2024 16:32

@Alwaystired94 and as it stands right now with services being inclusive of men under the category of women, if a woman or girl is raped by someone she knows:

  • she won't be able to request for a biological female to do her rape exam without being labelled transphobic
  • she will be advised to "reframe her trauma" or attend inclusivity training if the experience means that she needs female only health care providers for routine appointments due to the trauma she experiences when in intimate situations with males
  • she can't guarantee that the rape counselling group she attends won't have a man in it saying he's a woman
  • if she needs the services of a domestic abuse hostel she can't guarantee that the other service users or the staff members will be female even if it is described as a women's only service
  • she may have to use the preferred pronouns of the trans-identified male who raped her in court referring to her rapist as 'she' to validate their identity

And just for added horror some lucky woman may end up locked in a cell in prison with the rapist because the rapist has invoked their 'I feel like a woman' card

(The above have all happened, they are documented real examples of how the inclusion of males in female only provisions has affected women)

Yes, we know the stats and women are significantly more likely to be assaulted by a man that they know. That doesn't mean that the destruction of female only services and spaces is negligible.

All of this happened under the Tories.

It seems beyond belief that they've suddenly changed their minds (conveniently in time for the election)

Alwaystired94 · 02/07/2024 18:13

CovertPiggery · 02/07/2024 18:05

All of this happened under the Tories.

It seems beyond belief that they've suddenly changed their minds (conveniently in time for the election)

exactly. and i can’t see how they believe i, as a woman who has been taped and seen no justice, should put any faith in a tory government to turn around the high amount of VAWG. instead they talk about trans women in female spaces. where are the Tory policies about the rape crisis? how will the tories give females better access to healthcare?

ABirdsEyeView · 02/07/2024 18:15

I'm not single issue obsessed. But I think it's very worrying when politicians bend so easily on an issue which is so fundamentally simple as 'what constitutes a woman'. It's indicative of how easily captured they are by very vocal minorities and how out of touch they are with the vast majority of people. I see them throw their own party members under the bus and think if they can do this to their own, who is going to protect me and my daughter!
It creates fundamental lack of trust.

It makes me doubt everything else about them.

I can't vote Tory, but I don't see as how I can vote Labour (or LibDem) either. The election is 2 days away and I still don't know what to do!

InfoSecInTheCity · 02/07/2024 19:13

@CovertPiggery "All of this happened under the Tories.

It seems beyond belief that they've suddenly changed their minds (conveniently in time for the election)"

Yep, which is why I won't be voting for them. I can't be a one issue voter, there are too many other big issues that need to be addressed, this one is important to me but I'll address my concerns through other means.

No one should trust the Conservatives, they've proven over and over and over again that they are a bunch of useless self-serving liars.

Voterswung · 02/07/2024 19:32

@Hatfullofwillow

I balance that with someones homeless, perhaps lost a parenting suddenly, very vulnerable, perhaps a violent and abusive relative.
They then go to a loo and get assaulted by a trans woman in someway and they..... They the vulnerable person is arrested for hate speech.

On top of everything else??

TulipCat · 02/07/2024 19:41

There are so many things more important to my daily life than this(and my DD's). I am voting Lib Dem because I want the candidate in my constituency to be my MP. This is because he is excellent on local issues.

Voterswung · 02/07/2024 19:41

@CovertPiggery @InfoSecInTheCity

They didn't changed their minds.

Stonewall has been like an octopus reaching into councils, telling women refuge that they have to take trans men, education, telling children there are more than 2 genders, into the NHS (see nurses)
Everywhere.

The cash strapped Welsh rulers who have failed because they rely on tory funding paid stonewall 100 grand in one year.

It's reached everywhere and thankfully, although too late the tort have woken up to toir.

No one changed thier minds. The entire nub of the problems have been because no one realised their minds have been changed!!

Italianita · 02/07/2024 19:42

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