Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

[TheShellBeach]

They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

Because they genuinely see Nigel Farage as a solution to the ills caused by the political class. There are lots of poorer, working class communities where most people feel left behind. What he says resonates with those people.

And he's very good at it. Show me another politician who can draw a crowd of 4,500 people at the NEC on a Sunday when England are playing at the Euros.

Nigel Farage will be a much bigger presence in five years' time.

Don't blame him. Blame the failings of the other politicians.

@blackcherryconserve for me and many others unfortunately it is.

As another poster has quite rightly pointed out, the question shouldn't really be 'Why are you voting Reform' and should be 'Why are the main parties so awful women like me cannot bear to vote for them?'.

The match doesn't begin until much later.

I do agree that the likelihood of Farage being a greater presence in 5 years time is unfortunately a possibility.

Firstly, the Tories have been doing that for years. Labour weren't in power when that was going on.

Secondly, the GRC is a human rights issue from us signing up to the ECHR. The Tories aren't going to stop it and they didn't when they were in power.

Thirdly, Labour want to protect women further regarding domestic violence and rape through specialist courts

Fourth, A GRC will still be difficult to attain. It will take two years plus the process of seeing a gender specialist.

Fifth, Labour are continuing to support the Equality Act which protects women's space. Women's spaces are already protected.

I would be ashamed of being a Labour, Lub Dem, Green, SNP voter, particularly if I am a woman, because of their shameful policies on biological women’s rights which puts our safety, opportunities and dignity at risk and which in effect relegated us to being second class citizens behind men and trans woMEN

I guess Reform voters should be ashamed of being seen as racist in the same way that Labour voters should be ashamed of being seen as antisemitic.

All parties have their odious sides, just reform haven’t had time to weed theirs out yet.

100% agree! Well put.

I think the majority of immigrants come from India and Poland.

Confused as to why you think this matters? My point still stands

@cupcaske123 😂 Have you hear Keir Starmer in ALL his recent interviews? He cannot/will not define a woman, or answer the question about women's protected spaces. In short, I don't believe him. I've written to my local Labour candidate and he's firmly TWAW so no luck here.

That seems likely.

But nothing makes me think Reform and their policies (?) are any better than the mainstream political parties! Too many of their supporters hold racist views, even if you personally don't.

It's really problematic.
I'm a Labour voter in general but I'm struggling with the TWAW rhetoric.

I'm not at all surprised by your comment. It is a fact whether we like it or not that immigration here (as in all European countries) is a huge burden. Sadly if immigrants can't or won't integrate within the host communities they are bound to create division.

How can Labour protect women when they won't even define what a woman is?

I've heard Starmer talk clearly about the need to protect biological women's spaces. I've heard him talking about protecting women and the changes he wants to implement on DV. I've heard him say that they will make exceptions to the GRC to make women safe.

A laughing emoji is hardly a constructive argument. I thought you wanted a discussion.

@blackcherryconserve They're not any better. But women's safety is absolutely key to me and I cannot bear to vote for anyone who hates us. Thinking men can we women is the ultimate act of misogyny.

The end of biological women’s rights starts later this week:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5108465-a-male-non-binary-person-gains-a-female-grc?page=2

What exactly have Reform stated with regard to women and men/aka trans people pretending to be women, then? How are they protecting us any more than Cons, Labour et al?

The party leader is a racist, and the leader sets the culture. He knew exactly what he was saying when he said Sunak "doesn't understand our culture".

Exactly

They don't think they are racist.

Labelling people thick and racist was what happened with the Brexit vote and look how that turned out.

It's that old thing of not all reform voters are racist but all racists vote for them.

They don't see what's wrong with their views or don't care. There's no arguing with these people