Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

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They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

I know a Reform voter and 100% racist.

Along with other obic's and ist's.

The party policies are rooted in racism and othering people.

You might not think you are racist, but you are voting for a racist agenda if you vote reform.

Your point was that the majority of immigrants were from Muslim countries. They're not.

You don't know what you are talking about.

The GRC is a certificate saying that you are the opposite sex. Starmer will make these easier to obtain. These will literally say that a man is legally a woman.
Tell me how this man will be kept out of women's single sex spaces?

Starmer refuses to countenance updating the EA 2010 to make it clear that sex = biological sex which is what would sort all of this shit out - why will he not do this?

Or maybe I am voting for fundamental reform to the NHS because giving it more money just doesn’t work.

You won’t vote for Reform because you consider them racial. I am considering voting for them because the NHS is broken and non of the other parties have any ideas on how to fix it.

This.

Might need to work on the reading comprehension. "Mass immigration from islamic countries" does not mean "most immigrants are from Muslim countries"

My father, an immigrant, has voted reform (via postal vote as well which is a bit hypocritical).
The mind boggles 🤯

Im not saying this with any knowledge but I’d kind of assume a party like that wouldn’t have any time for men wearing frocks. More Bernard manning than lily savage surely.

@cupcaske123 The laugh is out of pure surprise. Surely you must know by now that Kier Starmer will not and indeed can not define a woman? Therefore absolutely anything he promises to women is worthless. Find me some evidence where he has said Women are adult, human females and no man can change sex. At least Farage has said he believes trans ideology is nonsense.

I'm perfectly aware of what the GRC is. Labour said they'll make the process more 'dignified' and I believe they're getting rid of the panel. However you still need two years as the opposite sex to attain it and you still need to see a gender specialist.

The Tories aren't getting rid off the GRC either.

The EA already protects women's spaces. You don't need to tweak it.

Immigration is a massive problem in many parts of the country where the infrastructure is not yet in place to accommodate the influx. If all the people arriving were white, middle class and called Emily it would still be a problem. It is not about colour of skin, it's about numbers.

It's so easy to label people as racists - it makes the accuser feel good about themselves, calling out this heinous trait in other people.

The Reform party is a symptom, not the cause, of current issues. It's the same all over Europe. People are scared. Keep on calling Reform voters racists if you like, but it does mean you've learned very little from the Brexit vote. Which is a shame.

So we’ll put you in the horrendously naive camp then.

And all the people putting a largely made up culture war before actual important policies are just as bad. I can hear it now ‘well yes he’s a raging dictator but at least Putin knows what a woman is’

FFS

This argument is getting a bit stretched now. People want to vote for a party whose candidates have previously stood for the BNP, who think Africans will lower the IQ of the country, that black people are lazy savages, with activists who want to shoot immigrants but get so upset about being called racist and we're supposed to pander to their precious feelings. A vote for Reform is a racist vote and they can't expect people to pretend otherwise.

Wrong. You will NOT need to live for two years as the sex you wish you were (whatever the fuck that actually means) and you will see one gender specialist who will wave it through of course.

Again - the GRC is the cert not the law.

https://labourlist.org/2024/06/labour-party-gender-id-policy-recognition-cooling-off-period/

This.

I do think it is unfortunate that the English struggle to find a way to express national pride without attracting racist thugs.

I guess it’s a consequence of Empire, that Englishness was linked for so long with a sense of superiority.

I guess some Reform voters aren’t actually racist, they just yearn for acknowledgement of their national identity and are a bit limited in terms of their perspective.

Unfortunately, it’s difficult to tell these essentially decent but disgruntled people apart from the small-minded twats, especially as Chief Twat is leading the party.

Eloquently put.

And I'm so sick of Brexit being blamed on Remainers. Blame Farage and Johnson and Gove - the architects of Brexit!

If the only argument you have is ad hominem then you don’t have an argument worth listening to. You will encourage me to put my cross next to Reform because even someone stridently against Reform can’t put together a coherent argument why I shouldn’t vote for them.

The other parties throw out the twats that say and post those types of things, they then join Reform as they are allowed to be racist there.

Reform aren't just arguing for reduced immigration, they're advocating shooting immigrants. There is a non racist way to address immigration and there is a racist way and Reform are the latter.

Starmer like Sunak, will retain the GRC. It's part of us ratifying the ECHR. Starmer has said Labour will continue to respect the Equality Act which protects women's spaces and make exceptions to the GRC re Trans rights.

All the infringements on women's spaces, trans ideology, deplatforming, men in women's prisons has been done under the Tories. Not once have they spoken out against it.

But that doesn't mean they are helping women any more than any one else. In fact I'd suggest Reform is mainly misogynistic!

Or the fact that the LP offered no opposition because Corbyn was a brexiteer? Or that snotty little twats like LOJ looked down on the red wall voters and gave them a good slagging rather than asking why they felt that voting leave was the best option?