Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

[TheShellBeach]

They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

You keep saying this, but there have been 13,000 people arrive in boats this year. That’s around 1 refugee for every 5,400 people in the UK. Can’t you see that they are not ‘taking over’ or preventing you from getting an appointment with your GP? It’s a drop in the ocean in terms of population increase.

The reason people don’t like it is because they want to be regarded as good people. I vote Reform but I am not racist. I am just concerned on immigration etc

But of course when you look at the practical reality, who is attracted, who wants to lead, then you can see the intention is not to win but to change the conversation in the country. The intention is division. These people shouldn’t be here. These people shouldn’t have rights. The police should have more powers and different laws for them; veterans should have more because of service. That sounds like s party that is very keen on dividing. To what end? Very good if you are on the right side of the line; but if in any minority group then you would be on the wrong side.

But illegal immigrants make up such a tiny number of the population that it still doesn’t make sense.

The issues our society is facing, child poverty, CoL crisis, NHS waiting lists, underfunded education system etc are not caused by this small number of illegal immigrants.

It seems to me they are just a scapegoat for these problems. So easy and simplistic to blame the desperate people risking their lives in boats.
It’s a very convenient red herring or a smoke screen being used as a political tool to fool far too many people.

This and also, people here illegally don't have access to healthcare, housing, jobs legally, so risk being exploited. They are not in NHS queues or on social housing lists.
A lot of them don't come on boats, they have outstayed Visas or found another way to enter the country.

If trafficking kept going up is there a point where you’d feel uncomfortable with it?

What is your solution to the small boats and trafficking?

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17. The Tories also promised to build 200,000 homes a year for 5 years.

18. They built zero.

19. Under Labour, the UK built one new home for every 14 people

20. By the end of 2020, it had fallen to one new home for every 43 people, despite human sexual reproduction remaining kinda popular

21. That’s why you can’t get a house. It's not because of immigrants

22. Michael Gove, a man with a face only a motherfucker could love, cut £7 billion from education and stopped all school repairs

23. Gove also introduced “Free schools” with a promise they’d cost no more than £3 million each

24. The Nishkam Free School in London, cost £45 million

25. Bobby Moore Academy: £37 million

26. Harris Westminster School: £49 million

27. The National Audit Office called the Free Schools policy “a waste of money” because almost all of them opened in areas where there was already excess capacity.

28. Regardless, to pay for Free Schools, the rest of us saw funding per pupil drop by 4% in two years

29. These cuts meant 74% of schools reduced their number of teachers or teaching assistants

30. That’s why your kids’ school is overcrowded and falling apart. Again, it’s not because of immigrant

If people want to address it, and I think they increasingly might after GE as Labour’s approach is not feasible, then look at Aus

Border control is normalised and bi partisan and this struggle which is incoming looks strange by comparison.

I can't think there is one person who feels comfortable with any level of human trafficking - well, except the trackers perhaps.

Do you mean they're processed off shore? Where?

Border control? The boats don't go through border control. I'm not sure what you mean.

How would you stop trafficking?

Look up Aus policies. Border control in a broader sense, not at an airport etc desk. it’s of importance to nearly all voters. Ie no one will overturn a policy brought in by the Liberal party. Similar to Cons here. Labor there who are now in have kept it

Also look at trafficking numbers which plummeted due to policies

They didn’t need a Reform type party to get that in place and it’s now bipartisan

Politicians here are struggling, I’d say due to ECHR difference which Aus is not in. And Reform and EU far right will increase due to frustration of some

It’s frustrating to see the struggle which I think will increase

If people are not comfortable and trafficking continues to rise what then?

We don't live in Australia and the geography of the UK is very different. Not least our proximity to continental Europe and the amount of civilisation on the coast.

Also the Aus plan only started "working" when boat turnbacks were implemented. And in fact its largely displaced migration onto air routes and use of student visas. Australian net migration remains high.

You know all this of course. I'm really not sure why you cling to the Aus model so hard.

2 more days and the Rwanda scheme will be no more 🍾

Yes we’ll have ‘smash the gangs’

A policy no other country who is dealing with trafficking would attempt to sell to their electorate.

For good reason

Probably be taken over by the French now we've paid for it

From what I know about Australia, they have a number of immigration detention facilities, three of which are off shore. In the 90s they introduced a policy of mandatory detention in response to boat arrivals.

They have a policy of not allowing those arriving on boats to settle, they push back boats, send people to third countries and people can be held indefinitely for processing. Do you really want the UK to violate international law? They do process asylum claims as do we and they allow them to stay in the country.

Why do you think no Aus politician will touch it?

Including centre left Labor

They are still part of UNHCR

You can keep going as you are but you won’t avoid Reform type backlash.

Omg. What do you think national and International police organisations focussed on organised crime spend their time doing?
They spend their time dismantling gangs. That's just a reprioritisation of effort. People smuggling isn't really too much different to any other kind of smuggling.

Well let's see in 5 years shall we?
I expect Europe will have had their own taste of hard right Brexshitty type fuck ups by then which might make people feel differently

It’s dead already. Strangled at birth on the grounds of illegality

Good luck ending trafficking networks.

Agree. It's quite obvious being on here a few years, that most Mumsnetters live down south-London, Home Counties etc...

Do you actually think London is not multicultural 🤣

Or Bristol - that's down south.