Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

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They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

How is it a call for help to state that Africans are stupid? That black people are savages? That everyone living in Bradford should be shot? How are those comments anything but racist?

Labour have worked hard to purge the party of the high profile, highly visible and highly vocal MPs and Labour councillors who have publicly said anti-semitic things. Do you think that those people's opinions have actually changed and they are reformed? Or is it that they've merely been gagged from spewing their bile while wearing an official Labour Party hat?

Erm there are definitely some people that others should be ashamed to vote for.

You are talking about the party.
I am talking about the poeple that they are trying to get votes from.
Some of them will be voting as a protest to get the main parties to change policies or help them.
But as long as we have a FPTP system very little will be done to help those that need it.

Yes, that's right 😂

Antisemites have been expelled from Labour and Starmer has made it a priority to ensure that antisemitism won't be tolerated in Labour. As much as you can try to deflect, we've still got Reform candidates and activists using racial slurs, inciting violence against people of colour, threatening death to asylum seekers and insisting that black people are inferior - and this isn't being replicated in any other parties.

Again - you mean the GRA.
And Starmer will not allow changes to the EA to state that sex = biological sex. Why not??

All the infringements on women's spaces, trans ideology, deplatforming, men in women's prisons has been done under the Tories. Not once have they spoken out against it

That is completely untrue - at least the Tories woke up and realised it was bullshit and tried to backpedal. They pulled the rug on the insane SNP for example.

Excellent post, nailed it.

Yes. And the SNP are going to get a nasty shock at this election.

I've always voted for them but I just can't anymore.

That's about the most sane post on here. Why can't people accept that we are all diverse, have different viewpoints and different things that are important to us? The nastiness and division that has crept into just about every sector of society in the last decade or so is really troubling

@TwigletsAndRadishes Labour have worked hard to purge the party of the high profile, highly visible and highly vocal MPs and Labour councillors who have publicly said anti-semitic things.

They also got rid of a great many Jewish left wing members who called out the antisemitic witch hunt for the bullshit it was.

TW ARE men. Your point is ridiculous.

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its weird, if I was Farage or part of Reform and things I was saying made people call me racist and bigoted but I absolutely, whole-heartedly believed I wasn’t, I’d be looking at how I communicated my beliefs and working really hard to make myself better understood. I don’t think I’d be telling people it’s their fault for not understanding how I meant the words I’d chosen to use.

I'm swaying towards reform because I live in an area that houses immigrants in two hotels and see the way our area is being affected. I believe that under a labour government our problems will get worse, parts of my area feel like no go zones.

I do believe that the vast majority of MN are not directly impacted by the immigration situation and until they are they'll keep calling people like me racist for wanting more control over it but I couldn't care if they were green with purple spots, it's about the numbers coming in and the fact we have nowhere to house everyone. Time and time again I see people moaning on here about house prices, rent, public funding etc but no one seems to want to admit that the problem is we've got more people coming into the country than we can handle.

I'll also admit in the past I've voted labour and conservatives, I have no loyalty to any party and will vote for the one that I think will improve my situation. Also voting labour in the past didn't mean I approved of anti semitism no more than voting for reform means I'm racist.

I shall be delighted when they do.

That you Jez?

So will I, now.

As pp said previously, you’d expect rogue individuals (if that’s what they are) to be denounced by the leader and expelled from the party (As Keir Starmer did to those accused of antisemitism in Labour). Farage instead dismisses these incidents as “pub banter” or “they’re only saying what ordinary folk are thinking”. That shows Farage’s, and in turn his party’s, true stance on the comments.

I can understand this view.
However, I still don't understand what people think Reform will do to improve things, do you think they have an actual plan to stop immigration or are they just saying words that some people want to hear?

Well put

It isn't racist to not want hordes of young men illegally entering the country with no papers. Take a glimpse across Europe, many countries are clamping down. Unfortunately their are too many virtue signallers in this country accusing anyone who objects to this as a racist/gammon/bigot (insert any or all) the people who shout the loudest arebthose who are least affected.
Looking at you Gary Lineker

Yes and most of these will never come in to contact with these young men.

Also voting labour in the past didn't mean I approved of anti semitism no more than voting for reform means I'm racist

Voting for a party whose members - I keep listing these so people can't deny the racism btw - incite violence against people of colour, use the racial slur f- p-s, advocate shooting asylum seekers, say that black people are lazy and stupid and savages - you don't get to disassociate yourself from racism. These are the people you're giving your vote to and they are extreme racists.

The desperate attempts to deflect onto Labour's antisemitism is so unconvincing.