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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A male 'non binary' person gains a female GRC.

74 replies

ArabellaScott · 30/06/2024 08:20

A man applied for a GRC and was initially rejected. That was overturned at appeal, and he now has a GRC that says he is female, despite his identity being 'non binary'.

https://www.dacbeachcroft.com/en/What-we-think/DACB-succeeds-in-pro-bono-Gender-Recognition-Act-appeal

From the judgement:

'Dr Longworth stated that the applicant ‘has a stable feminine non-binary gender identity and has lived in a congruent social role since at least 2015’. '

'That letter recorded the applicants ‘goals’ for treatment as being:
a) To achieve a gynaecoid body shape, including adult female breast
development;
b) To achieve a reduction in facial and body hair; and
c) To retain the capacity to have a functional penis, with capacity for
erection and genital sexual response.

Dr Longworth’s letter explained that there was a basic biological incompatibility
between the first two goals and the third. If the applicant were to discontinue hormone treatment, as she had attempted in the past, in order to achieve goal (c), then her gender dysphoria symptoms would be likely to return. If, however, she were to continue with hormone treatment the long-term effect would be reduction in sex drive and the development of erectile dysfunction. Dr Longworth advised that it was for the applicant ‘to decide what takes priority’.

'The Panel considered that the detail relied upon to reach a diagnosis of gender dysphoria was lacking and that the language used in the letter describing the appellant as ‘non-binary’ contradicted her assertion that she was a transgender woman. The Panel concluded that this did not accord with the binary approach required by the GRA 2004. The Panel was also troubled by the period during which the appellant had ceased taking testosterone blockers and they considered that Dr Longworth’s report highlighted the appellant’s incompatible
treatment goals, namely wishing to retain male sexual function whilst seeking female gender affirming hormone treatment, thereby undermining the appellant’s overall aim of being recognised as a woman'

'With regard to s 2(1)(b), that she ‘has lived in the acquired gender throughout the period of two years ending with the date on which the application is made’, the Panel had concluded that this element was not satisfied as ‘there is very little evidence that you are living in real life as a female’.'

DACB succeeds in pro bono Gender Recognition Act appeal

International law firm DAC Beachcroft, 39 Essex Chambers and One Pump Court have successfully represented a pro bono client in her appeal against a decision by the Gender Recognition Panel (GRP) to refuse to grant a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC)...

https://www.dacbeachcroft.com/en/What-we-think/DACB-succeeds-in-pro-bono-Gender-Recognition-Act-appeal

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MarieDeGournay · 30/06/2024 10:57

EXAMINATION PAPER

Q1 Define gynaecoid body shape, in 2,500 words or less.

Doing that moving-your-hands-in-the-air-imitating-womanly-curves thing, getting your tits out for the Examination Board, or shaking your booty are not admissible.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/06/2024 11:03

This one?

I'm not sure, maybe I'm thinking of a different one, or a Twitter thread or something.

CranfordScones · 30/06/2024 11:35

Once Labour have done their worst, this sort of thing is going to be almost impossible to undo.

eatfigs · 30/06/2024 11:49

Good to know that in GRA land, "living as a woman" = "retaining the capacity to have a functional penis, with capacity for erection and genital sexual response".

BreatheAndFocus · 30/06/2024 11:58

I shaved my legs this morning. I wasn’t aware I had to be a fully approved woman to do so. Should I have checked my birth certificate first? My passport? Applied to my GP for a femininity certificate? What if I don’t shave my legs next week? Do I need to apply for a GRC for being masculine? Should I ask for my birth certificate to be changed due to masculine hairy legs? FFS!

The whole thing is so fucking ridiculous, it should be laughed out of society. Firstly, you can’t be NB but if you’re insisting you can, then you can be NB whatever your sex. You don’t have to be one sex to be NB. Secondly, who’s out there stopping NB people being feminine or masculine or both? Nobody! Keep your penis, lop it off with a pair of garden shears, tuck it, put ribbons round it, wear a bra, wear a dress, wear a dress with trousers underneath - nobody gives a fuck! But none of that changes your sex.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2024 12:04

Good grief.

We've always known that this ideology is based on fantasies and lies - this case demonstrates it in full.

And we're about to have a government completely in thrall to all this. 😡

HoneyButterPopcorn · 30/06/2024 12:08

As my sister would say ‘well that’s a pile of w*ank’

misscockerspaniel · 30/06/2024 12:13

For once, I would be quite happy for the resident TRA to come along and explain this.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 30/06/2024 12:57

misscockerspaniel · 30/06/2024 12:13

For once, I would be quite happy for the resident TRA to come along and explain this.

I should think RMW would be pleased to explain why this is a logical progression from Taylor vs Jaguar.

Signalbox · 30/06/2024 13:29

eatfigs · 30/06/2024 11:49

Good to know that in GRA land, "living as a woman" = "retaining the capacity to have a functional penis, with capacity for erection and genital sexual response".

The same land where living as a man = getting preggers via your male partner and chest feeding your theybie.

NotYourCisterinAus · 30/06/2024 14:31

And here I am, clomping around in flat shoes with unshaven legs. Does this mean that my woman card has been rescinded?

ArabellaScott · 30/06/2024 14:40

I think you'll find the women who don't have a special lady ticket are far less ladylike and important than the chaps with the £5 certificate.

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misscockerspaniel · 30/06/2024 15:01

NotYourCisterinAus · 30/06/2024 14:31

And here I am, clomping around in flat shoes with unshaven legs. Does this mean that my woman card has been rescinded?

Are you wearing a dress? If so, you are still OK. If the answer to that is "no" AND you are looking forward to watching the football, then you are probably into non-binary-land.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 30/06/2024 15:19

CranfordScones · 30/06/2024 11:35

Once Labour have done their worst, this sort of thing is going to be almost impossible to undo.

Labour will indeed make society a more dangerous place for all women and children, in service to, mostly, porn sick, confused and/or manipulative men - and the consequences of this will not stay hidden. That's what these activists don't understand: the more they "win", the more society sees what their demands really are - and then there will be a major backlash. You can't gently reverse -ferret from actively promoting wholesale depravity such as this and assume the vast majority will just go along with it. They won't.

IamMoodyBlue · 30/06/2024 15:34

I'm not feeling very bright today.
Person with XY chromosomes, ie a man, wants to be a woman in all ways.
Except having a penis to have sex with.
Huh?
I am obviously missing something. I try to respect people's life choices.
But.
I thought a penis was a male....thing?

ArabellaScott · 30/06/2024 15:55

IamMoodyBlue · 30/06/2024 15:34

I'm not feeling very bright today.
Person with XY chromosomes, ie a man, wants to be a woman in all ways.
Except having a penis to have sex with.
Huh?
I am obviously missing something. I try to respect people's life choices.
But.
I thought a penis was a male....thing?

Not according to genderpeeps.

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StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 30/06/2024 15:59

IamMoodyBlue · 30/06/2024 15:34

I'm not feeling very bright today.
Person with XY chromosomes, ie a man, wants to be a woman in all ways.
Except having a penis to have sex with.
Huh?
I am obviously missing something. I try to respect people's life choices.
But.
I thought a penis was a male....thing?

I think the desire is to be a feminine-presenting NB, afaict, and that governs the preferred treatment plan.

ArabellaScott · 30/06/2024 16:02

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 30/06/2024 15:59

I think the desire is to be a feminine-presenting NB, afaict, and that governs the preferred treatment plan.

The desire was to be hairless, with breasts. And a penis.

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CormorantStrikesBack · 30/06/2024 16:06

ArabellaScott · 30/06/2024 16:02

The desire was to be hairless, with breasts. And a penis.

Surely they’d be better off having a boob job and laser treatment? 🤷‍♀️

ArabellaScott · 30/06/2024 16:22

I think theyd be better off watching less porn and getting some fresh air, but I'm no expert.

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Melroses · 30/06/2024 16:25

👆
Agree with this.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 30/06/2024 16:27

At least we know it's about enabling porn addicts and fetishists now. They're not hiding it.

Anyone not getting behind repeal should sit the next few years out.

JellySaurus · 30/06/2024 16:28

This is not a mental illness.

🤯

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 30/06/2024 16:29

CormorantStrikesBack · 30/06/2024 16:06

Surely they’d be better off having a boob job and laser treatment? 🤷‍♀️

afaict, that's the treatment plan.

ScrapeMyArse · 30/06/2024 16:56

Why is a boner not horribly triggering for these dudes?