Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

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They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

@cupcaske123 and that's why I'm not voting Labour or Tory. That's exactly why I'm voting Reform. They hate women the least.

Anyone with an IQ of 1 or more will do the exact opposite.

Nasty little right wing fascist wannabes.

A canvasser for a party being a racist twat does not make everyone who votes for said party racist. In the same way as not all Labour voters are anti semitic.

Reform are deeply misogynistic but their manifesto does promise to get rid of 'woke' and to get rid off Trans ideology. They're very clear about it. So if that's the only reason you're voting, they're for you. Apparently.

Good one, because calling people you disagree with stupid always works out so well.

i guess it allows you to maintain that sense of smug superiority, while sticking your head in the sand so you don’t have to bother to try and understand why they might be voting that way.

You are not helping anything or anyone.

Excellent post

The whole of Europe is moving right.

The problem is that we have a host of problems and the main parties are neither talking about them nor addressing them. Meanwhile the left wing intelligentsia are skilfully enriching themselves in what they would regard as ethnically diverse areas, but where the Immigrants they deal with on a day-to-day basis are either perfectly integrated with perfect English, or doing low paid jobs for them.

But what do the traditional white working classes see? People who have nothing culturally in common with them taking over their neighbourhoods and changing the culture completely. And they don’t really benefit from the cheap labour: in fact, they are outcompeted for work.

If we pretend that all immigration is positive and that cultural capital has no value and, if we call anyone who questions that narrative a racist, then door is wide open for skilful rabble rousers like Farage to promote a genuinely racist agenda.

How do you feel about Andrew Tate?

I would never in a million years vote Reform!

@Leah5678 "
It's more the incessant insisting we should let everyone who wants to come to the UK move here"

Could you show me that in the Labour manifesto?

They are appealing to one issue voters.

@cupcaske123 He's awful. Obviously. And yes, I've seen the comments Farage made about him. It's horrible. But Labour are still worse for women. I wish there were an alternative for me to vote for but there isn't. There is no party that really represents me or women like me at all.

Yes, Corbyn was definitely a contributing factor to Brexit. But Cameron called the referendum with no safeguards and Johnson, Gove and Farage proceeded to enthusiastically lie about all the benefits of Brexit. Vote Leave put their false promises on the side of a bus; that appalling and undoubtedly racist billboard went up, Leave won and racist hate crimes went up but still it has to be the fault of people who never wanted any of it and warned against the dangers - which have come to pass! - only to be dismissed as Project Fear. And now those who blew everything up have decided oh actually the only reason Leave won was because it was so upsetting to be called a racist. Never mind the people who campaigned for it to happen on a basis of lies!

This.

I have a family member who thinks he's the bees knees. She is the least racist, nicest, kindest, person you could think of. Pillar of her local church. She's been hoodwinked by Farage - partly because the alternatives are so unappealing.

He's been very clever, because even when she disagrees with him on an issue she will say "but at least he's honest" - he's managed to convince an awful lot of people that he's not like other politicians, and they like that.

Another one with no reading comprehension I was talking about Labour voters on Mumsnet not the actual party.
Not that Labour don't have a track record for being extremely lax on immigration, the Tories aren't much better though and it's a big issue for most of the population who don't live in nice little sheltered areas like most on this site 😀 that's why reform was formed and is gaining popularity so quickly

check whether you have an SDP candidate - They seem to be standing in a lot more constituencies now, and I agree with them on some key issues (not all) but crucially they are sound IMO on women's rights.

Imagine thinking reform care about women's rights. They know what a women is sure, but that's only so if they get into power they can start pressurising the white British ones to pop out more babies.

Though without any maternity leave, don't forget.

Not to mention Farage's admiration of Andrew Tate.

Reform might hate trans people, but they hate women too.

I haven't noticed if TRAs have picked up on this from the Reform "contract".
I would be interested to know what they think. (Might have a hunt around now)

For what it's worth, I do like this policy, but I don't think it's because they hate women any less than any other party. I don't think women really come into their thinking at all.

I'm sorry to hear you feel like that.

I guess they don't think about it too much, or they don't align with the aspect that is less palatable.
Any more than every tory voter is not a champagne swilling 'toff' screwing everyone they meet over, or every labour voter isn't an antisemitic woke knob..

I completely agree. They won't have factored women in at all, in fact they want to get rid off the Equality Act. Women are disproportionately affected by cuts to public services and they want billions more.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/22/the-road-to-somewhere-david-goodhart-populist-revolt-future-politics

This book, to me, explains a lot of the popularity of Farage.

If you have well educated, financially comfortable, live in a middle class area (especially in a city), then this book will be a real eye opener as to why rational people may not agree with your point of view and that they are not necessarily racist or bigoted.

So sad that good people are being hoodwinked by Farage. A wolf in sheep's clothing if ever I saw one. No doubt 100 years ago many Germans felt the same about Hitler. I have skin in the game. My mother grew up in Germany then. Luckily she lived to tell the tale.

Because shame requires a certain capacity for self-knowledge and abstract thought.