Conservative voters: how do you honestly feel about the gamble scandal

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That is it really
BTW I’m not voting labour (or the tories)
But just curious if anyone changed their mind after betting gate?

Not a tory voter but in the grand scheme of things this is small fry compared to what they have done before

Not a Tory voter, but it just seems beyond belief. It's like they've decided they are going to lose, so they will just burn the whole party to the ground on the way out. Major/Thatchers Tory Party hardly behaved well in defeat but they didn't deliberately try and destroy themselves in the process!

Funny how no Tory voters are willing to comment.

As a committed Conservative I condemn the 'insider' betting. Most of them it will be legal. But in my view it is NOT Ethical.
On another thread I have commented about the low standards in public life not only politics.
I want the Tories to win but only by doing the 'Right Thing'. Even if it takes two parliaments say10 years.

I think it showed lack of ethics and lack of judgement in the individuals who did it.

I don't think it says much about the party as a whole.

There have been financial scandals within the last year with much higher ranking people in several other parties: Angela Rayner discovered not to have paid CGT on the profit from her council house sale despite not living there and Nicolas Sturgeon and her husband with the SNP funds embezzlement (both investigated and her husband - himself high up in the SNP - was charged)

Maybe you should think about your own biases and assumptions, and why you are more concerned about financial misconduct committed by Conservative politicians than you are when much larger financial misconduct with more serious impact on other people (tax loss and embezzlement) are committed by senior Labour and SNP political leaders who create party policy.

Interesting. Do you really believe there are bigger financial scandals outside of the Tory ones? You really believe Angela Rayner who the police said there was no case to bring was a bigger scale than the settings, the PPE scandals, the Tory tax frauds?

To quote your own words back at you,
Maybe you should think about your own biases and assumptions,

I think it speaks volumes about the people Rishi Sunak has surrounded himself with. The same people who thought he should leave D Day early! I want them removed from the party and they should never work in politics again.after this shit show of a campaign.
I also note that a Labour candidate has been caught placing a bet on himself to lose which is completely bizarre! This man has also made a huge donation to the Labour Party which they are now having to return, £1M I think. It makes me wonder if he bought his candidacy? He clearly has more money than sense!
I think this has turned into a media frenzy for gotcha journalism which has rumbled.on a bit too long. There are more important issues to discuss for most people.

The police said there was no case to bring because tax fraud isn't a police matter. HMRC decided not to pursue it - who knows why.

I absolutely think Angela Rayner showed poor ethics and poor judgement when profiting from the taxpayer with a council house sale - making £50k after owning it 3 years, and then not even paying tax. I accept that she wasn't an MP at the time, but she took advantage of the system to profit from the taxpayer.

Do please list some Tory cabinet member frauds which have been investigated by the police or HMRC in recent years? I genuinely can't remember any.

There were the housing allowance scandals a few years ago. I think that was cross party from what I remember. And it seemed that this was something implicitly agreed for years - although a few individuals took the piss - then it exploded when the papers ran with it.

PPE was mismanaged for sure, but not sure there's been any actual fraud charges brought against individuals rather than just 'what everyone knows' assumptions and bias

https://www.libdems.org.uk/news/adlib-articles/the-a-z-of-tory-sleaze-scandal

I couldn't care less. I didn't particularly care about the 'lockdown parties' either - I'd say most politicians (in ALL parties) are dodgy in some form or another - they're all gambling/tax avoiding/expense fiddling etc. I was set to vote Tory next week but have very recently changed to Reform. But no, the gambling would not have changed my mind.

Nadim Zahawi

Bookies being cheated is good, generally speaking.

Politicians, Policemen and civil servants using insider knowledge to their pecuniary advantage is disgracefully bad.

OK, so that's an A-Z of 'Tories are nasty and we don't like them'.

My favourite is 'Dominic Raab accused of hurling tomatoes across a table'

It won’t make me vote for Starmer, no.

I think it shows poor judgement and those people should be weeded out. But the level
of shitty behaviour is pretty equal in all parties.

I absolutely don’t have a view that the Conservatives are the “baddies” and Labour are the “goodies”, it’s not a fucking panto.

The Conservatives have managed things pretty badly recently and I can’t stand Sunak. But there’s no Labour policies that make me want to switch. I like my Conservative MP, will vote for her and still call Sunak a prick.

I think it's further evidence the Tories are crooks.

Ah, that's true. He paid a financial penalty to HMRC but claimed he had been careless rather than fraudulent.

I think this will end up being a plague on both of their houses when we get all the details. Both parties have had to suspend candidates for betting and I'm sure there's more to come. Will it change who I vote for? Absolutely not.

There have been financial scandals within the last year with much higher ranking people in several other parties: Angela Rayner discovered not to have paid CGT on the profit from her council house

That will be because no CGT was due, Dan.🙄

I absolutely think Angela Rayner showed poor ethics and poor judgement when profiting from the taxpayer with a council house sale - making £50k after owning it 3 years

Rayner was responsible for house price inflation?😳 It was 8 years btw.

You went through the list, saw tomatoes and dismissed the whole list as 'we don't like them'?

That's how biases and assumptions work isn't it?

Well he would, wouldn't he.

Not a Tory voter here either.

The gambling issue comes at the end of a long line of Tory scandals (and I don't really believe Labour will be any different).

To me, it shows a lack of morals, accountability and integrity in our leaders, now.

I'm also seeing, increasingly, a load of arrogant, entitled (mostly) men in power who do whatever they want, excusing themselves with 'I didn't do anything wrong' or 'I didn't do it' (especially in sexual harassment/assault cases).

So, no faith here anymore in any of them.

I think the betting scandal is a really good example of how humans focus on the little things, but the big stuff is just too complex or difficult to comprehend. It's about the integrity of a few individuals, and the judgment of those adjacent to them in power (and cut thru because of its simplicity and message of grift). But the BBC broke a story in the same week that gained no traction that Government over ordered and is now burning £1.7B of COVID era PPE that it bought from one domestic (and now astronomically wealthy) supplier. £1.7B of public money borrowed and on which we now pay interest literally up in smoke because of Tory incompetence. I'd rather hear from Tory voters why they find that acceptable/forgivable. The betting scandal will be promptly forgotten by 6 July 2024 even if it does impact the election itself.

He was Chancellor of the Exchequer and had to pay a £5m penalty to HMRC. That's a level of 'carelessness' that suggests an astounding - and unbelievable - level of incompetence. Which do we have in the Conservative cabinet, people that staggeringly incapable or crooks? That seems to be the choice!

No, I scanned the list and saw that none of them had any substance.

The only one about police or HMRC investigations - which is what I asked about - was "Z for Nadhim Zahawi sacked as Tory party chair over tax affairs" which a pp also mentioned. I have to confess as the last entry I missed it in my skim read!

A few about people making 'unacceptable' comments. Yeah, whatever.

Matt Hancock being a dick. Yep, tell me something that isn't obvious. But there are dicks in all the parties. At least he'll be standing down.

And the tomatoes made me smile.

Angela Rayner did not have any tax liabilities. What I don't understand is why she did not explain things when the newspapers featured the story. Could it have been 'tidied away' much sooner with a clear statement?