Conservative voters: how do you honestly feel about the gamble scandal

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That is it really
BTW I’m not voting labour (or the tories)
But just curious if anyone changed their mind after betting gate?

Couldn't care less

Tomato throwing 'made you smile' @strawberrybubblegum? It shows Raab to be a petulant, pathetic, undignified and unprofessional man (which again begs the question of why he had a position in government at all) but it was part of a bigger picture of bullying behaviour in the workplace. Tomatoes sounds ridiculous, sure, but no one should expect to go into work and have their boss throw things at them in a fit of temper. It's incompetent. It's unacceptable. It's not ministerial behaviour - but the Tories have lowered the bar on that to unimaginable depths.

Didn't she live with her husband, so it wasn't her main residence?

There's no shortage of bullying in the Labour Party!!

Labour also have exactly the same issue - have you asked them if this has scuppered their chances?

@strawberrybubblegum I think she said that she had lived there and was selling to move to her new husband's home so she was partly at both. It can be a confusing time for anyone.
The decision,the 'verdict' by the authorities was no liability. I accept that.

ps.{I keep thinking I can smell the bubble-gum}

The desperation to drag Labour into the swamp just shows there is no defence for Tory behaviour over the past fourteen years. And clutching at straws which inevitably involve picking out Labour 'scandals' (or casting very general aspersions) that are clearly nothing compared to the scale and extent of the Tory ones only serves to highlight how corrupt and incompetent the Tories are.

The Tory campaign has been reduced to 'everyone is as bad as each other' - partly because they can't conceive of people actually conducting themselves with integrity and according to principles rather than greed and cruelty - and partly because there is nothing else left they can cling to. But it's not true that they are 'all the same'. The Tories are demonstrably, provably a whole lot worse. It doesn't mean Labour are perfect but they are certainly better. It's not hard!

Labour is a cesspit of misogyny, racism and identity politics where being bullied and silenced happens instead of debate and discussion - I think it’s fine to call it out for what it is.

Not really. The thread is about whether a fairly minor scandal will stop people voting Tory - so it's very relevant to point out that whilst it's a bit shit, it's not very significant, and that the other parties have done significantly worse things.

Which significantly worse things? Because so far on the thread, the worst examples have been Tory behaviour. Tory betting, Tory tax evasion (or 'carelessness!), Tory bullying. No one has contributed any 'worse' behaviour by Labour here.

Geoffrey Cox failed to declare £400k

Jeremy Hunt 'forgot' he owned 7 flats

IDS 'forgot' a company paid him £25k

Theresa Villiers 'forgot' she owned £70k of Shell shares

Nadhim Zadawi 'forgot' to pay £4.8 million in taxes

Mark Menzies allegedly used £6.5k party funds to pay off 'bad people' & used £14k of campaign funds for medical bills

'But but but...Angela Rayner!!! (Did nothing wrong but let's desperately pretend'

And let's not forget that the Covid inquiry is still ongoing.

Tory voter, at least I was, not sure this time!

Couldn't give a monkeys about this gambling nonsense - Bookmakers are a bunch of spivs and twisters (I say this with a much loved uncle who is a successful bookie) so if they get twisted out of a few hundred, I don't much care, if an individual has committed a gambling offence, take them to court, fine them, whatever, its small beer magistrates court stuff, line in a local paper at best, not of national interest.

Look at the country, the NHS, cost of living, tax, immigration - why the fuck are the public so interested in this nonsense.

They've already had 14 years to show people how immoral and unethical they are.

And you think Labour erasing women is moral or ethical? Or the fact they are peddling lies that they will improve anything at all - no they really won’t - we have been living beyond our means for decades. Silencing and bullying is the way Labour do things. Hardly the party of integrity!

Kevin Craig, standing in Central Suffolk and North Ipswich ???????

@Flopsythebunny The ministers over the last 14 years have not been of a good enough standard. People like Dominic Raab (who I have met and have spoken with) Just not up to the job intellectually. He is not dishonest merely out of his depth.
Leadership skills have been lacking in more than the Conservatives. Teresa May and that stupid election she did not need. She had been a competent minister but failed as PM.
We keep being influenced by people who win. Boris won a huge following. Jacob Rees-Mogg wins arguments. But neither will give us stability.
There are others coming along so we will rebuild.

Tory electoral strategy depends on convincing people that things can never get better. That we can't expect or hope for politicians who are not corrupt, amoral, incompetent and selfish.

Think really carefully about people who want to impress on you that no one will ever act with integrity, that no one exists who can or wants to do any better than what's been done by the Tories.

They've given up on winning votes; they can only depend on depressing enough voters into apathy so that they can reduce the number of votes for other parties by making everyone believe it's pointless.

We can definitely do better than the last fourteen years!

And you actually think the freak
show in the opposition benches are more superior? Are you deluded?

And there it is.

The campaign of lies Labour are peddling about a magic money tree and false promises that your life is going to magically improve and this country is really sloshing on free money!

My god you have a rude awakening if they do win.

Apparently it's fine when a labour candidate behaves this way! I also wonder if his massive donation to the labour party bought his candidacy? The hypocracy is staggering.

Sir Philip Davies standing in Shipley ???????

Always resort to playground insults if you want to win someone over eh? Is that in the Tory handbook?

I find this self-image some Labour supporters have of being the good guys standing against evil really weird.

I don't think either side are 'corrupt, amoral, incompetent and selfish'. I think they're all humans - some more competent than others, some with better judgement than others. But those attributes are distributed across the 2 parties and not fundamentally different between them.