Conservative voters: how do you honestly feel about the gamble scandal

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That is it really
BTW I’m not voting labour (or the tories)
But just curious if anyone changed their mind after betting gate?

This. The labour guy wasn't an inside trader!

The obfuscation is absolutely deliberate - it's happened over and over in the thread to attempt to pretend that Labour and the Tories are all the same and it's so painfully obvious. A Tory does something reprehensible and it's impossible to defend so the only strategy is 'look a Labour person did exactly the same!!!!' when it's something completely different. Like Partygate in which the government broke the rules repeatedly being equated to Labour having beer in circumstances that were well within the rules at the time. For anyone who actually reads the news, it's evident that it's different behaviour but the Tories are clinging on to the hope that if they lie loudly and often enough they will fool people into believing them.

Absolutely.

But Angela Rayner
But Jeremy Corbyn
But the Labour guy who bet on himself
But Starmer had a sky dish

If the Labour guy intended to deliberately lose for personal financial gain, then that's more serious than gaining some cash from a bookie using insider knowledge! Both illegal and not OK, but that's attacking the democratic process.

But I haven't seen anything specific to make me think that was his intention.

If I can just interrupt your chat about how awful Tories are, can I ask you something? Honestly - honestly - if there had been no Tory betting scandal and if the Labour guy was a Tory and the betting against himself came to light, would you brush it aside and say it wasn't important?
If you can honestly say you would not be crowing about how corrupt he was betting against himself to win, then fair play to you.
But if you would be on here saying how awful he was, then I am afraid you - like many other posters on here - are a hypocrite.

And @zonder don't forget Labour fifty years ago - never mind how different Blair's Labour and now Starmer's Labour might be (or how far removed from Major's Conservative government of the 90s the Tories of the 21st century have been!) - apparently for inexplicable reasons, a Labour government will replicate exactly what happened in the 70s even though that's not even the most recent time Labour have been in power and, again, it was fifty years ago in a different political landscape. It will be exactly the same! Who knows why? It just will be!

I don't think it's unimportant. I think Labour were right to suspend him and return his donation.

I'm just brushing my granddad's Michael Foot style donkey jacket down ready for a labour government. I wonder if Keir Starmer will dig his out too?

Exactly. Nobody is saying that's unimportant. Look how quickly Labour dealt with him.

The Labour guy has company from this Tory guy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxw2lm2mm14o

I don’t why people continue to compare this to the Tories lining the pockets of their mates to the tune of billions when they put fake companies forward as providers for non existent PPE.

I’m more concerned about the new Conservative Party campaign poster.

Why are posters equating mass unemployment with Labour administrations?

Until 1975, unemployment in the UK had remained below the 1 million mark for over thirty years. Between 1979 and 1982 it rose from under 1.5 million to over 3 million and remained above 3 million until 1987.

At the end of 1992 the official level had again risen to almost 3 million with the official rate around 10.6%

All Labour's fault of course!

What exactly have the Tories delivered in the last 14 years? The greatest act of self harm a country has ever inflicted on itself springs to mind.

Thatcher was PM between 1979 to 1990 after which Major took over until 1997.

So 18 years of Conservative governments - and high unemployment.

I'm not sure Conservatives are best placed to talk about fiscal responsibility.

Except the stats don't really back that up, do they? As already shown on this thread.

May I remind you that Gordon Brown's government left a note in the treasury when they got booted out saying 'sorry there's no money left'.

I think what seems to be emerging is a disappointing picture of candidates from across parties betting on their own seat (well, betting against it!) which seems unethical even if it's not a case of election tampering - which it's unlikely to be for any of them. This looks like it's perhaps been happening a long time.

Then, separately to that, a number of Tories with insider knowledge have abused that privilege by betting on the election date, having known in advance when it was going to be in order that they can illegally acquire money.

So two different issues, both of which can be referred to as 'the election betting scandal' and helpfully allow Tories to pretend that the second, much more serious group of offenders who are all connected to the heart of the Tory party, are the same as the cross-party offenders who have done something different - still wrong, but not the same or as serious. Labour have acted swiftly and decisively on their offending candidate, in stark contrast to the Conservatives.

And you do know this has been very comprehensively debunked by now?

Well this Government are clearly leaving things in a much better state - less debt & thriving public services.

No. Because as has been discussed as nauseum on these threads, firstly Gordon Brown left no such more, secondly the person who did felt it was a tradition that previous administrations had done and has bitterly regretted it ever since.

So no, you can't remind us of that and expect to be taken seriously

Oh dear.

I don't care. I will be voting tory.