Conservative voters: how do you honestly feel about the gamble scandal

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That is it really
BTW I’m not voting labour (or the tories)
But just curious if anyone changed their mind after betting gate?

I don’t want to win anyone over thanks. The muppet show that is the Labour Party is hardly the beckon of high intellect and integrity is it! Let’s be real -

Clearly not equally distributed though, as evidenced throughout the thread.

I wonder whether his thinking was that this way he would have something good either way: if he wins his seat, then he'll be so happy he won't care about losing the bet. And if he loses then he can console himself with having won some money.

I'm not convinced that it was a deliberate ploy to 'throw the fight'. I'm not even sure he could: most people vote for the party not the candidate, especially with a new incoming candidate.

Poor judgement though!

How any Tories dare to evoke the image of the 'magic money tree' since Theresa May insisted there wasn't one - and then promptly discovered two billion pounds to bribe the DUP to keep her in power always astounds me.

The Tories can find a magic money tree when it comes to bribing, when it comes to handing out contracts to enrich their friends and enhance their own power - they can find endless resources of taxpayers money for themselves and their own advantage but somehow there is never enough for public services.

Labour aren't making big promises. We're all well aware that the Tories have destroyed public services and crashed the economy and that there is no quick recovery in sight. But things can be better than they currently are, as soon as this government is gone. Labour rhetoric is extremely cautious on what can be achieved and how quickly. But at least we can start moving in the right direction.

"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely'?

Whoever said this was spot on.

There is ‘no fix’ when will you understand that. You have a long way to fall my friend.

How extremely patronising. I'm not talking about a fix; I'm talking about people doing a better job than the Tories. I'm talking about politicians who are less corrupt and who are more capable. It's very realistic to acknowledge that no, Labour are not as bad for the country as the Tory government and succession of awful prime ministers has been. A better option exists, one more qualified and capable of facing the deep problems and challenges ahead, and we can vote for them.

I used to be a Tory voter but now I feel totally let down by them but equally I can't vote Labour as I'm not inspired by them either. Never in my lifetime ( I'm retired) have I felt so disillusioned by the quality of candidates (of any party) standing for election. Equally, I can understand why no one would want to stand for Parliament these days due to the sheer abuse and intrusive behaviour they and their families have to tolerate. I admire anyone wanting to stand for election, but sadly those that do stand aren't really the best at the moment.
Rather than being inspired by Labour I think people are being given the choice of which party they believe can screw up running the country the least.

Rather than being inspired by Labour I think people are being given the choice of which party they believe can screw up running the country the least

It's better than nothing, @horseracingbuddy - and going back to the subject of this thread, this betting scandal is just another dismal twist in a string of Tory disgraces. Thank goodness we can get rid of them.

Are you actually serious? You think Sir Keir and Angela are going to make a ‘better ‘ option for us?
I am trying to work out if you are joking or not in your posts.

They are an embarrassing, ineffectual, incompetent bunch of misfits and hard unionists! They can’t even work out what a woman is, or what policies are important - they flip flop on every major issue.

I assume you must be talking tongue in cheek because no one can seriously say that Labour are going to bring anything other than debt, recession and sky high taxes to these shores, not to mention the erasure of women. I would have more faith in donkeys quite frankly!

Watched a tv program last night where the presenter was very disappointed when the owner of the U.K. largest bookies said it’s been happening years with all parties we just never hear about it

Yes, I agree we need a change. But I can't feel enthusiastic about Labour either. Their shadow cabinet (with a couple of exceptions) are instantly forgettable.

debt, recession and sky high taxes @meetingofminds - oh yes, of course, the Tories have done such a good job of avoiding those in the past fourteen years.

It all just seems a bit of a jolly to be an MP, loo, at the way they behave in PMQ. I have visions of them sitting in the cheap bar, placing their bets, thinking its all a bit of spiffing harmless fun just like party gate. I think they are dreadful and would never vote Conservative again.

We have had an amazing steady growth and employment. No recession despite the pandemic and Ukraine war - because the economy is run by a competent and educated government

You really don’t have the first idea how bad things have been under Labour but some of us remember the 1970s! And the black ours, IMF bail outs etc. people are too stupid to realise what they are voting for with labour. Mass unemployment seems to be a distant memory but it will soon be back!

people are too stupid to realise what they are voting for with labour really sums up the arrogance of Tory attitudes.

Plenty of people who remember the 70s are voting Labour, I can assure you.

The sewage in our rivers, the decimation of our public services, the staggering rise in child poverty and the proliferation of food banks are testament to how 'competent and educated' this government have been. And at every turn, they seek only to enrich themselves - as evidenced by this tawdry betting scandal, the most recent of many disgraces that have exposed how careless and self-serving they are.

To be honest I think people will vote Labour in the hope they'll be less shit than the Tories. Nothing deeper or more considered than that.

The BBC broke this?
This is no news
This is widely known in other non mainstreams outlets since at least 2022

But it is not the kind of outlets tories voters listen to

I think you're right, the lesser of 2 evils

Until the reality of Labour led recession and mass unemployment kicks in that is. It might seem a little different by Christmas.

Well labour also now have it as well. I think I’m resigned to the fact bad apples exist in all walks of life.

Labour are involved in the tawdry betting scandal as well, or did you miss that?

I absolutely agree with this. And I also agree with the pp who said they hypocrisy is unbelievable.
I came to this thread as I started a thread for Conservative voters and @zonder posted pointing to this thread, but it's clear it's just one of the usual 'all Tories are awful, all Labour are perfect (and if they're not there's a Very Good Reason why not) echo chambers.

I think the whole thing has demonstrated how immune we have all become to politician’s poor behaviours, whether conservative or labour.
Another scandal appears and I feel quite apathetic about it.

The tawdry betting scandal is the matter of people in or connected to the prime minister's inner circle who potentially had access to inside knowledge of the election date using that to profit financially. No Labour members are in Sunak's inner circle.

The Labour candidate suspended at the moment bet that he would lose - which is odd, but not the same behaviour as above. Unless he intended to throw the election and lose deliberately, eg match fixing then it's not on the same scale ethically or legally speaking.

It's also about which people Sunak has chosen to surround himself with and the moral calibre (or otherwise) of those advising him. We have a number of Tories implicated and the prospect of someone leaking information for gain.

So once again, we have a questionable person in Labour vs a host of corrupt people at the heart of the Tory government and by trying to equate the two it only highlights further that Labour are nowhere near as bad. It's just embarrassing scrabbling around by Tories who only want to drag people into the mire with them.