Conservative voters: how do you honestly feel about the gamble scandal

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That is it really
BTW I’m not voting labour (or the tories)
But just curious if anyone changed their mind after betting gate?

It's not insider information if it's freely available though! Unlike those who bet on there being a July election because they have insider information that there will definitely be a July election!

Fuck it - if it's exactly the same we don't have to have an election at all. We know the outcome. Lets get on with it.

Fair point @Notonthestairs shall we just let Keir know he can move into #10?

Sorry Zonder, can you do it - I have already cracked open the fizz.

Posted after 2 responses..... maybe the tory voters are working.....😂

Seems very poor judgement. I think that if you were in their constituencies, you might not feel like voting for them, but the poor behaviour of a random MP will not impact party support in general.

There is a sixteen hour difference in time stamps on those posts so I think it was more a comment that the thread had been left almost unanswered throughout the entire day and evening. No worries though, some tory voters have been on today to argue their cause!

I feel contempt for the individuals involved. I don't like politicians generally, left or right. Indeed, many backbench Tory MPs repulse me. It's the big issues that I'm focused on. And I dread a Labour government for the following reasons:

First, I can't trust them on immigration. The Tories may have been useless, but at least they made some noises and made some (feeble) efforts to bring immigration under control. If the Tories still allowed net migration of 750,000 in one year, what will Labour do? Labour are pro-mass immigration. Indeed, I have met Labour activists who've told me (while spitting with anger) that they believe in open borders. A speechwriter for Blair said he came away from a cabinet meeting under the impression that Labour planned to "rub the right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." Of course, when those on the left say 'the right,' they mean 'anyone who dares disagree with us in any way.'

Second, I'm dreading the over-development that is coming. If Labour are in power for ten years, especially with a big majority, immigration will spiral out of control and we will have to cover what's left of the English countryside in disgusting new housing estates. My village has been ruined by new developments in the last five years. And the traffic is now so bad I hardly go out. I don't want to imagine what is coming. I swear, central and southern England are going to end up as one giant housing estate, beginning somewhere in Liverpool and ending somewhere in Kent. If you want to know the future under Labour, imagine row after row of disgusting rabbit hutches, all jammed on top of one another and stretching away into the distance.

Third, they will screw up the economy. They always do. They'll borrow too much and tax too much. That in turn will drive out business. If I could trust them to spend the money wisely – repairing roads, boosting literacy levels, funding apprenticeships and STEM courses, etc – it wouldn't be so bad. But they'll blow it on welfare cheats, or pour it into the blackhole of the NHS, or squander it on 'diversity and inclusion managers'.

So I will hold my nose and vote Tory. It is the less awful of two options.

I've decided the Tory campaign team have been pulled off mumsnet and 'redirected'

It's not MPs implicated in the Tory betting scandal - it's officers and advisors in government ie those in the inner circle and trusted with privileged information by Sunak. These are people who bet on the July date before Sunak called the election - MPs didn't know this was coming, it was only the people working most closely with Sunak.

Some MPs have been discovered to be betting on the outcome of their own seats which is a different scandal of a lesser order, though the two are getting conflated.

I should think most Labour voters work. Starmer has made it clear repeatedly that he represents working people. If you don’t work, Starmer will be looking to address that.

From 8.30 am til midnight when I posted? Nah.

Anyway once I encouraged Tory voters over from another thread it all got more interesting.

Of course not. We are all sitting on our bums watching daytime TV while claiming benefits for our 17 children.

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Of course they have better information. That's their job.

Yes - that's what Stephen Flynn said this evening on BBC Question Time.

More betting here:

Wes Streeting has revealed that he has previously placed a political bet, winning a wager on Sajid Javid becoming health secretary in 2021.

His comments came after Sir Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat leader, said he placed a bet on the outcome of the 2010 election (Davey says he lost that bet).
The Lib Dem leader also revealed that he had successfully bet on his party winning the 2021 North Shropshire by-election.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/26/ed-davey-had-bet-outcome-2010-election/

A Labour MP was jailed for fraud last year if that helps;

https://news.sky.com/story/former-labour-mp-jared-omara-jailed-for-four-years-over-fraudulent-cocaine-expenses-12806834

I’m just baffled why we are focusing on a small number of people who have made a poor, but not illegal, bet for fairly small stakes. It’s was a stupid thing to do.

But in the scale of things it is utterly, utterly irrelevant. We should be talking about the policies, the policies and the policies. And why the isn’t the fact that reform is being treated as a political party when it’s actually a business with Farage as the majority shareholder!!

Because policies come out of who the party are and what their ideology is. This level of corruption shows who they are and why their policies have basically been theft for a large part of the last decade.

Again, not the same thing as you will be more than aware.

The outpouring of sympathy for bookmakers is nothing less than I expect when there are political points to be scored.

While it feels a bit grubby, it's far from clear that any laws have actually been broken: The actions probably don't contravene the Gambling Act, and the issue of misconduct in a public office is unlikely to stand up in court.

Who on earth has expressed sympathy for bookies? Absolutely no one at all. We'd just like a really basic standard of integrity from those in government, but that is way too much to expect from the Tory party, clearly.

Well pretty much most of this. Although I do think the Tories have taken to a new level the practice of fronting it out in the face of their dishonesty. Seriously how has Michelle Mone not been charged with anything yet or at least the results of any enquiry published?

It depresses me that we cant choose one party over the other in terms of integrity. It's difficult to stir myself from the resultant apathy.

However, I do expect the party who is actually in Government to try and be a bit accountable for their behaviour rather than so obviously having their snouts in the trough.

What PPE scandals though? It was poor financial management but no evidence of any criminal activity from Conservative Party members as far as I am aware. Also not sure what you mean re tax fraud - what was that? Do you mean Sajid Jarvis? Again no actual fraud

tbf I do not at all think the tories are uniquely corrupt- all political parties have had their share of these scandals and it does us a disservice to pretend otherwise.